Future S9 firmware wishlist summary

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@zrumlow hey thanks for the

but we all know Suunto isn’t going to do that.

Actually how you described the feature (hitting the lap button to mark where the loop is) is how it works.

Additionally hitting that lap button (on the loop screen) will mark a new starting point for the loop

https://www.suunto.com/fy-nl/Support/Product-support/suunto_9/suunto_9/suuntoplus/suuntoplus-loop---lap-timer-speed-pace-power/

When you start your exercise your Suunto 9 will record the starting point and if you pass this point later during your exercise, you have done a loop.

You can also start a LOOP manually by pressing the lower right button at any stage, then this location will act as the start point of the LOOP.

cosme.costa

@Mff73 said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@zrumlow said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@Rob33 in a addition to being able to toggle the pkus features on or off they also need to be made interactive. I went out with the auto-lap feature today and the problem with it is that if you don’t start a run with a loop it is no good. I had to warmup to my loop and then did mile repeats, but if I could just start the feature there by hitting the lap button on that screen it would help immensely. The other option would be to just make intervals more customizable, but we all know Suunto isn’t going to do that.

isn’t it the case for the loop feature ? shouldn’t you initiate it by pressing lap button somewhere, and the watch will count each loop passing near this point ?
I haven’t this watch, just remember reading this somewhere (i may be wrong though).

This is exactly as it works and it works very well indeed. I tested it on monday, I did 3 loops of arround 4 km and it worked flawlessly, I was surprised how exact it was to detect the loop starting point, really, it was within a round of less that 1.5/2 m.

sealion.hr

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos manual just says “hit loop button ar any stage”. Do we need to switch to Loop screen as you day and hit lower button to mark new loop point?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@morskilav correct the lap button at that screen ONLY acts like a marker

@Mff73 there must have been a glitch with my first use. I was getting the incorrect first split distance, but today I tried it again and it was fine for the first split.

sky-runner

@sartoric Considering that it was possible to put very simplified maps on Fenix 1 and Fenix 2 both of which had tiny amount of memory, for sure, Suunto 9 should be capable too.

http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/maps-garmin-fenix

halajos

My wishes/suggestions to improve navigation:

On route preview screen use the lower button to activate the navigation screen. When I’m starting at an intersection, this would let me see which way to go before I hit the start button.
When the activity is paused the navigation screen should be accessible via the middle button. This would help the orientation at an intersection if auto-pause is enabled.

SteliosP

More wake up alarms.
Gel/Food/Hydration and custom alarms during activities like Garmin.

surfboomerang

@halajos said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

My wishes/suggestions to improve navigation:

On route preview screen use the lower button to activate the navigation screen. When I’m starting at an intersection, this would let me see which way to go before I hit the start button.

When the activity is paused the navigation screen should be accessible via the middle button. This would help the orientation at an intersection if auto-pause is enabled.

Small addition on the second point: All screens should be visible during pause

Rob33

Already asked but important:
Possibility of stopping the GPS track but keeping the chrono, so as not to disturb the distances on food supplies or stops in ultra trail. To have the total time.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Rob33 it automatically can do that. If you don’t move it wont register GPS

Rob33

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
On an ultra trail, I sometimes stop for up to 20-25 minutes to eat, sometimes change clothes … During this time, even moving very little, the GPS marks the trail
Example:

In this case +/- 300- 400m

bart80

@zrumlow said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:
The other option would be to just make intervals more customizable, but we all know Suunto isn’t going to do that.

Why is that ? How hard it have to be implement customizable intervals.?

@Bartosz-Różański why does the sun set in the West?

Brad_Olwin

@bartula said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@zrumlow said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:
The other option would be to just make intervals more customizable, but we all know Suunto isn’t going to do that.

Why is that ? How hard it have to be implement customizable intervals.?

Suunto has done this with SuuntoPlus Sprint. Here is a Strava link to complex intervals that I ran. I did not have to set them up in the watch, I simply started by hitting the lap button once and all of the intervals were recorded automatically.
https://strava.app.link/KyP5EjOk49

@Brad_Olwin again though, this is a really barebones version of the top end of such a feature. Intensity zones must be set manually and if they change during the duration of a workout you have to go change them, with this you can’t stack different types of intervals such as working through a ladder on a track without reseting it at each interval distance. The point of this type of a workout on a watch is to set it and forget it. When I’m cruising I just want my watch to tell me to go faster or slower and not have to remember how fast or how slow or for how long.

I refuse to understand Suunto’s logic in that this is a rarely requested feature and/or the Suunto 9 is geared towards ultramarathoners so it has more ultramarathoner featuresets. If this were the case, it wouldn’t be so frequently requested by people on this forum and by word of mouth, and there would be other watches in their lineup that provide features more aligned with triathletes, 5k runners, weekend warriors.

The plain truth is it’s not a feature they will fully invest in. It was discontinued after the Ambit and th th th th thaaat’s all folks.

Brad_Olwin

@zrumlow @bartula Not necessarily, This was a ladder workout and I have done ladders, pyramids, etc. Admittedly, I cannot set up the intervals ahead of time but that is fine as this implementation is better. You can use different intensity zones, for example either HR, Pace or Power Zones using a couple of different screens. All you have to remember is the workout or write it down somewhere, I remember mine. For example, next Tuesday I have this:
Vo2 Pick-ups at 10k to 5k pace. After warming up 1mile Z2. Then build pace for 1 min pick-up, rest 2 min. Then pick-up 2 min, rest 2 min. Then pickup 3 min, rest 2 min. Then pickup for 4 min, rest 2min. Then pick-up for 5 min, rest 2 min. Work at 10k pace. Keep your feet moving on rest interval, allow HR to drop into Z2. Then reverse 5,4,3,2,1 w/ 2min rest. Work at 5k pace. Quick cadence. Lean into the speed from ankles, chest up and open. Drive elbows back, shoulder relaxed. Cool down Z2.

It is from my coach added to TrainingPeaks but not set up as a structured interval. I could create a TP structured interval and upload to Stryd on my Apple Watch, taking 15 to 20 min of my time and then I am locked into the interval, or…

I will start AutoSprint and set Pace Zones with my 10k target. After warm up I hit the lap button then run 1 min, rest (2min), run 2 min, rest, run 3 min, rest, run 4 min, rest, run 5 min, rest( during this rest I will reset intensity to 5k pace target, no big deal) then I can remember to run 5, 4, 3, 2 ,1 and I am done. Autosprint will automatically set the laps appropriately with rests using either pace or power if I used my Stryd. It takes no preparation time and all I have to do is remember the workout. Just like magic! Frankly, I don’t understand why you need the workouts programmed down to the second loaded into the watch, it allows no flexibility (for example, if my shoelace is undone, or if I get a cramp my intervals are screwed with your set up). With the implementation I now have I would be able to start back on the interval when ready and it would record, brilliant!

BTW, the workout is from my coach, only three of us have Suunto’s, the rest Garmin. Guess who never, ever programs in complex workouts? Anyone! All the Garmin folks find it far easier to just use the lap button, now I don’t even have to use a lap button as any complex interval I decide to run is automatically parsed into laps by either SuuntPlus Sprint SuuntoPlus Climb or SuuntoPlus Loop. Have you even tried these? From your post it does not seem so.

bart80

@Brad_Olwin I have my S9B for two weeks now. Before I was using Ambit 2 Black for 5 years and I have never used intervals implemented there. I was running the same way as you desribe, just checking the period and clicking laps, but when I have found Ambit Intervals (http://www.ambitintervals.com/#!/) planner based on Ambit Apps it was a game changer for me.

I have found that during structured trainings (fartleks, intervals) I was constantly checking the watch for time (most of my training are based on time duration) which was a little distracting. I found that if my watch will inform me about the run/rest part end it is easier for me to concentrate on workout.

@Brad_Olwin, now with S9B I had to go back to my (and yours) old technique with laps (excluding standard workouts with constant interval period - I use there intervals feature on watch). During my last fartlek piramid session (1’ + 2’ + 3’ + 4’ + 3’ + 2’ + 1’ / rest 2 ') I was trying to change duration targets (I am never using pace target) during rest but I have found this not easy, and distracting.

As I have mentioned I have my S9B for two weeks and have not used SuuntoPlus Sprints but want to try this. I have used only normal interval and yes, it is nice because it informs when run/rest period ends and that is what I desire.

So you see, structured intervals on watch can be helpful just to not distract from good workout.

Brad_Olwin

@bartula For your Fartlek session all you have to do is enable SuuntoPlus Sprint and just do the workout, you do not need to press buttons, the SuuntoPlus field will show the time elapsed in the interval and the pace.

@Brad_Olwin ya, so I tried this workout today. The problem is it autolaps whenever you slow down a certain amount. So, I started my first leg at about a 5:20 for about 100 meters and then realized I jumped on the gas and dropped it to my 6:00 pace. It detected this and split the watch. I had planned on doing this for 400 meters and then doing a 6:45 for 1200 meters. I could just as easily do this with intervals but saw that you mentioned it as a possibility and figured it saved me the hassel of changing the interval length.

Again, it’s a cool thought, but it is not exceedingly well executed.