System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1

brotzfrog10

@isazi that’s fine and I’m sorry you feel that way. I’m trying to figure out the choice to not allow sensor support. If it’s truly a implementation of the way the sunnto app is loaded on the co processor and the co processor doesn’t have the ability to connect to Bluetooth sensors because of not having the power to do so, then the reason for not having it at least makes some sense. If sunnto said we are going to run our app on the smaller less power hungry co processor so our gps activities can last a similar length to other non WearOs watches then I get it. At least the choice makes sense.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

relax guys Lets focus here on the “update” thread. Issues etc. …

Lets open a new one for the “future” of S7 or something

Aleksander H

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos haha, sorry about that. I’m just to fascinated by the technical details of the S7 .

On another note, I got my update an hour ago. No tapping required! Set up a route with waypoints for some geocaches in the woods where I live to try out the new features. Unfortunately I won’t be able to do so before the weekend. Always pitch black outside after work. Not much fun looking for geocaches in the dark.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Aleksander-H more lucky than me that since dec (and sept start) I am fighting with an infection. You have something look forward, I just hope

Łukasz Szmigiel · S9PP 2.37.48

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos stay strong! Chronic infections be damned.

I’m lurking here to see some images of how does the updated navigation interface look like in S7. Can anyone share something?

S7 looks like a very promising direction for Suunto and the sports and weareables market. Perhaps in coming years watches like S5 and S9 will become a niche and more specialised while smartwatches like S7 will get as useful (battery wise, connectivity) as current generation of dedicated sports watches with an added benefit of full color, hi-res screen and OS.

Randy Penn

@iTomB said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39l0vHQ112I
in spanish…

From higher up in the thread. In Spanish, but you can turn on autotranslate. The video does a good job of showing exactly what you’re looking for.

Jamie BG

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos i think that initially you may have been correct, but I think that the market has significantly shifted over the last year, and that the changes that have been made to the S7 (route navigation, always on tracking screen, extended tracking battery life, imporvements to companion phone app) have put it in a unique position that it could just cover that niche, if a couple of changes (sleep tracking, 24/7HR, external bluetooth connection, interval training/multi sport) were made to include the missing pieces.

And lets face it, those changes are software related - they will not impact the wear os enthusiastis (who you are unlikely to get due to price point - they have no interest in fitness features and why pay more; they are more interested in health features, so sleep tracking and adjustable 24/7HR would assist in these sales) and soccer moms (due to size of watch and missing health features like period tracking, weight tracking, sleep, 24/7HR, water drinking etc) - they will still have the same watch - however those people looking for a full smartwatch and a full fitness watch - bingo - we have lift off. And I think there are loads of people like that - you just have to look at sales of Vivoactive / Venu / Polar and Coros and potentially even the Fenix range. And yes I know its possible to get a lot of these via additional apps - but who really wants to use multiple apps to track all this data - we all want it one app (part of the reason why Garmin sells so many fitness watches and Apple does so well on the smart watch front).

I think that you are unlikely to sway most Apple users (loose too many features), however you would probably get those that use an Apple Watch and a fitness watch - as a S7/suunto companion app with those features could be a viable alternative.

Jamie BG

@brotzfrog10 Absolutely agree with you. My sister has tiny wrists, and has just picked up the Garmin vivoactive 4s - she looked at the suunto, like it but could never wear it on her wrist.
On the wear os forurms quite a few men even have issues with the size of the S7 - personally I love it, but have then always worn 20bar watches, which by nature are big and heavy, so I am used to it, and loving how light the S7 is. But I do think women look at the size and it isn’t a first choice for them due to size.

Nigel Taylor 0

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

Route direction: Highlights the route ahead, helping you to anticipate the upcoming turns and know which direction to take
• Show custom waypoint names
• At waypoint notification

Tried this tonight (also my first activity with S7, although I have lots of experience approx 2000km running per year with Garmin, Coros, Apple and an old Suunto).

All worked as expected/hoped…notification and custom name display 50metres or so before the waypoint, then at the waypoint, swiftly followed a few seconds later with details of next waypoint (giving that “direction change upcoming in 600metres” awareness).

I imported a route from plotaroute.com, added a ton of waypoints, (25 in just an 8k local circuit!), just as a test at every junction etc…was very easy to follow, to the extent that I only looked at the map a couple of times just to see what the map looked like more than any actual need.

I did miss a couple of lap notifications that were cut short by directions popping up, but adding the lap chart screen (that I didn’t bother with initially) back in to the activity customisation is a cure for that I guess…and I’d rather miss an autolap than a direction/POI notification.

Looking forward to testing this out a bit more…I didn’t go off route intentionally or otherwise, but assuming there is alerting for that, my day 1 is very impressive so far (having known the limitations and taking this watch at face value for what it is) in terms of thinking “I can plot a route somewhere new, set off running and not get lost or have to stop every 10mins to check phone/map”.

No comments on battery life with the new update yet…was pretty poor today (extrapolated to “touch and go for a marathon”), but putting that down to 1st day syndrome at the moment (and 25 sets of 3 x beeps and vibrations on top of 8 x lap notification beeps and vibrations!)…needs a bit more testing (and let’s see what “good” mode adds too).

The one oddity is having enabled flight mode for the run things didn’t seem to quickly connect back up post run, had to kill the phone app, or maybe just wait a bit.

Oh yeah…also had annoying Google Fit “completed heart points” and something else mid run, but that’s all disabled now ‍️

olymay

@Nigel-Taylor-0 Great work! Thanks for the info

I have a couple of questions if I may. How did yo add in your waypoints? Did you add them initially in plotaroute, or in Suunto after you had imported the route?

And how did you disable the Google Fit ‘completed heart points’ notifications? These annoy me when running and I would also like to disable them.

Don’t judge the battery just yet, if you only recently got the watch then it can usually take WearOS up to a week to fully optimise the battery for how you use it (apologies if you already know this).

This update does look to be pretty great already - I will give it a try on my run on Thursday (sadly for me it only downloaded two hours after my run yesterday).

Aleksander H

I might be mistaken, but this update also includes a security patch for Wear OS. I seem to remember I used to have the September 2020 security patch, but I now seem to be on November 2020.

JorgeFD

no update for me at the moment

olymay

@Aleksander-H you are correct! Prior to the update I was on September and now I am on November.

It’s nice to get the update, but I wish watches were updated like phones were (my Pixel gets a security update within the first few days of each month). I assume Google are the main ones to fault here, but manufacturers aren’t blameless.
It does look like Suunto are one of, if not THE best at providing security and feature updates though

Aleksander H

@olymay said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

It does look like Suunto are one of, if not THE best at providing security and feature updates though

Agree. It’s one of the things I love most about the S7.

olymay

After having a quick play with the S7 in my office (so no GPS lock), I have activated a few routes using all of the settings I used to have on and that caused the Suunto App to crash - such as WearOS notifications on and power saver tilt on.

Not a single crash!!! Well done Suunto!! It sounds like it was a sod to fix but so far to me it looks like you have done a grand job! Thank you for putting in the effort to get it fixed

I will try it on a run tomorrow, but I am confident it is all good

Aleksander H

@olymay said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

After having a quick play with the S7 in my office (so no GPS lock), I have activated a few routes using all of the settings I used to have on and that caused the Suunto App to crash - such as WearOS notifications on and power saver tilt on.

Not a single crash!!! Well done Suunto!! It sounds like it was a sod to fix but so far to me it looks like you have done a grand job! Thank you for putting in the effort to get it fixed

I will try it on a run tomorrow, but I am confident it is all good

This is the part of the update I was most curious about. I figured you’d be testing it soon, so I’ve been eagerly awaiting the result . Nothing more important than a stable experience!

Xiaiomi Killmister

@Aleksander-H don’t say it…on the previous update it was a trick and yes after 30 40 i don’t remember exactly the update screen showed up…tried it yesterday but nothing come out so i left it back in the drawer

Nigel Taylor 0

@olymay I added waypoints in the app after importing from plotaroute.

I did try export with Waypoints either the catch-all ‘every directions’ or just ones I’d labelled manually, but they seemed to get lost on import. Its easy enough to add them in the app though…took me only 5 mins to add far more than I needed for a 10k run.

(also - worth noting you should add the waypoint AT the actual direction change rather than ‘just ahead’ - you get the advance notification anyway which works quite well - I’d put my waypoints variously before, at, and just after where I needed them, as wasn’t sure what to expect…but the ones bang on the junctions were best).

Would like to see different icons/types added in future, more direction-based such as arrows etc rather than “here’s a waterfall”.

olymay

@Nigel-Taylor-0 Great! Thanks for the info

I had a feeling that was the case but just wanted to check. I use plotaroute for creating all of my routes and then import into SA. I am super impressed at how easy it is to do and how well it works.
It’s a shame there is no web version of the SA that we could use instead, but hey ho.

I won’t need any waypoints on the routes I currently run, but I will certainly have a play with them to get a feel for how they work for when I do need them. Thanks for the tip on putting them at the direction change, as I likely would have put them just before.

JorgeFD

what kind of magic is behind the suunto/google’s stagged updates?