Suunto 7 - Interval training and/or training plans

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

I think I am not clear here and I do not like the way you write some things because they make this sound bad or kinda like you are blaming something or Suunto specifically.

Let me explain gently.

this is another one of those crazy features Suunto eliminated from the 7s software

There was never such a feature to be eliminated. Wear os is not what the other Suunto watches run.

The feature was never there and it’s not in the specs of the watch.

he 5 and 9 have an internal timer as an optional added data field but for the 7 they made the conscious choice to just hack it off. It’s completely bewildering.

No one hacked it off.

Important

There is only one thing that is not tolerated in our forums. Speculations and writing your opinion as it is a fact that others did. For example as explained above

made the conscious choice to just hack it off.
Suunto eliminated from the 7s software

Those 2 statements above are wrong.

While in this forum you are most welcome to express your opinion, add your feedback and have a civil conversation or even shitstorm Suunto from a consumer perspective, writing things that are not true as if you know better is not tolerated here.

Dont get me wrong. It’s just an explenation before you get me wrong

And hey welcome dont take this as something bad.

brotzfrog10

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos it’s fine. I’ll refrain from partaking for now as my poor experience with the S7 is very fresh. My conclusion is correct though in that intervals and Bluetooth sensor support are a part of the regular Suunto workout experience but they were not made part of the S7 Suunto training app. I think saying hacked off for the BT and interval support in the Suunto app is correct just as reviewer say Apple took away the always one display for the watch SE. Yes the SE never had an always on display but other models of Apple watches before it did so they are effectively eliminating that feature from the watch. Now they did it for a specific reason (cost and product differentiation). I can’t see what Suunto eliminating the basics from their own training app does. That’s just my opinion, and apparently one that’s shared by many on this forum.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@brotzfrog10 that is correct. They never came in but it was not like it was intentional in the sense of : OH lets not do it so they can buy the s9. etc.

We also have the s3 that doesn’t have GPS for example

I would welcome BT and intervals on the s7

brotzfrog10

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos As would a large volume of other people welcome it (sensor support and intervals) based off forum posts and tester reviews. At some point I think it’s fair to say sunnto is choosing not to add those things when it’s been asked for, for nearly a year now. Also especially when sensor support exists in other WearOs apps.

Nigel Taylor 0

@olymay With the new update (which I haven’t tried yet, or indeed tried anything - given my S7 only arrived today! but I have read a lot over the last few weeks!!)…you potentially could use POI’s for some types of structured workout?

Create a route, and set Waypoints after certain distances with reminder labels on them for what you’re doing next?

So for example I might plan a 10mile route, and tag a certain point where there’s a nice little 200metre loop of road that I like to do intervals on…I can just throw a waypoint just before the start of that to remind me I need to do 5x100metre strides or whatever…and then I’ll just manual lap press at the start and end of the 100metre (I know the distance from lampposts), recover on the loop back and go again.

Likewise you might just have a structure which is recovery/warmup zone for x distance, easy/fatburning zone for y distance, and approaching marathon race zone for z distance…just set up a POI on a route at x, y & z to remind you what heart rate you are supposed to be driving next??

Jamie BG

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Are you saying the S7 suunto app is a completely different app from the one that runs on the S5 / S9 and isn’t just an adjusted app that has been ported across to work on wear os.

As personally I would think that Suunto had gone the port route, and I suspect most others assume the same. If this is what you think and is the case, then when you compare the options of the 3 watches it does feel like certain features have been ommitted that we may feel should have been kept.

Of course if this app is a complete build from scratch, that might help explain why some of those features where ommitted.

Brad_Olwin

@Jamie-BG My understanding was development was from scratch. WearOS is completely different and Suunto spent considerable time optimizing the battery life. I’ve concluded this from reading about the release and some interviews. One would have to agree that for a WearOS watch, sports battery life was essential. Given that I think it likely a completely new development effort, I am amazed at how similar the entire experience is.

Aleksander H

@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto 7 - Interval training and/or training plans:

Given that I think it likely a completely new development effort, I am amazed at how similar the entire experience is.

That’s my impression as well. I’m impressed by the app given this was likely done from scratch. The interface looks great and feels like it’s made by people who understand workout watches. The fact that it’s a Wear OS app also gives me hope that it will be (relatively) easy to keep bringing new features to the S7, even after it gets replaced by a new model, as they will hopefully simply be running the same app.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

S7 to S9/5 etc is 100% different. Starting with the programming language used.

There might be common parts ie some logic etc that are empirical etc

Aleksander H

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 7 - Interval training and/or training plans:

S7 to S9/5 etc is 100% different. Starting with the programming language used.

There might be common parts ie some logic etc that are empirical etc

Purely out of interest, if you are permitted to share. What programming languages are used on the S5/S9?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Aleksander-H from what I have “fished” is basically C++/Assembly . ITs completely a Suunto thing.

But I am not sure about the UI etc. That I have no clue. Could be anything from xml/html to QT but I would doubt about QT.

Jamie BG

@Brad_Olwin - and I think this is partially what causes a lot of the confusion when comparing to the rest of the S range - it has same look, the app looks similar; in fact everthing pretty much says its the same line; so users of the other models expect similar functionality.
Suunto may have been better off giving it another designator to point out it really isn’t part of the same line.

Saying that I still think they should provide the missing pieces - simply from a strategic market perspective and the opportunity to differentiate themselves and own that growing market share. I could understand if this was a cheaper product where that investment may not make sense, but when viewing the market share/competing models this is a premium product, a differentiator and would benefit covering the gaps that are missing compared to competitor models.

Aleksander H

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 7 - Interval training and/or training plans:

@Aleksander-H from what I have “fished” is basically C++/Assembly . ITs completely a Suunto thing.

But I am not sure about the UI etc. That I have no clue. Could be anything from xml/html to QT but I would doubt about QT.

Do you happen to know if the dev team find development on Wear OS to be easier than on platforms such as S5/S9, or merely different?

Sorry. This is the last non-topic related question I’ll ask here

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Aleksander-H I would bet its easier on wearOS when you are building something new.

Egika

there once was a success story online from a small company which presented their coding base was being used in Suunto Spartan.
It has now disappeared from their website - and I can’t find it right now. maybe someone still remembers?

freeheeler

@sartoric
this link doesn’t directly answer the question from @Ricardo-Rodríguez … it is an old thread and since then Suunto has made progress in the interval section.
it is not very obvious to everyone what models are compatible with Suunto Plus Guides.
I don’t have an S7 anymore, but if I get it right, Suunto Plus Guides and Features are only available for S3, 5 and 9.
Hence: in my understanding it is not possible to setup interval training as we see it in other Suunto models.
However @Brad_Olwin suggested to look for 3rd party apps, maybe this helps @Ricardo-Rodríguez ?

sartoric

@freeheeler said in Suunto 7 - Interval training and/or training plans:

However @Brad_Olwin suggested to look for 3rd party apps, maybe this helps @Ricardo-Rodríguez ?

That’s the main answer, for S7, imho

jsuarez

S7 owners are probably as screwed as Spartans and previous generations. Don’t expect anything from Suunto.

sartoric

@jsuarez said in Suunto 7 - Interval training and/or training plans:

S7 owners are probably as screwed as Spartans and previous generations. Don’t expect anything from Suunto.

Well, I don’t feel screwed, maybe unlucky because of the old hardware, but not screwed.
I just miss the good’ol planner, that I still hope in it’s comeback

Ricardo Rodríguez

@freeheeler said in Suunto 7 - Interval training and/or training plans:

Suunto Plus Guides

Thanks, @freeheeler. When I try to set up structured work, I received a brief pop up message saying “watch is not compatible”: Suunto is informing me, but perhaps they can be a bit clearer.

Please, what I should expect when I select Running Interval mode available in my watch?

Thanks!