System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise I too have seen the Fossil Gen 5 Caryle on sale, i.e. as low as $139, which is more than half price. I have also read about people picking it up at $119. The Wear OS Smartwatches group on Facebook is good to follow for those with a general interest in Wear OS smartwatches.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise a sale and lowering the MSRP indefinitely are two different things. Hell just about every watch was on sale and in some cases steeply in the last month or so. Amazon had the Apple Watch series 6 for $60 off. I guess it must be selling poorly this year.
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@brotzfrog10 whether it’s on sale or MSRP doesn’t matter in the broad overall context. Prices do drop, and people either do their research and get something when it’s on sale, or they don’t and pay full retail. That’s all that matters. RRP, MSRP, SRP, whatever acronym doesn’t matter in the slightest.
If folks wait for a while after the initial release of a product , then they can get a good deal. Simple as that. End of conversation.
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@Hughesy-and-Annalise that’s fine we can end it. But in the sales world MSRP only drops for really two reasons. Sluggish sales and needing to move some units or a newer model is on its way on old models need to be cleared out. Either option doesn’t bode well for Suunto 7 users myself included. Sales however happen for all kinds of reasons.
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@brotzfrog10 The Suunto website shows the following for the Suunto 7:
Which to me looks more like a sale price than a permanent reduction.
Suunto have also recently launched the Graphite Suunto 7 which is still retailing for the £429 price.
This implies to me that sales are doing fine and at the very least are meeting Suunto’s targets, why else would you bring out a special edition at full price? If sales were bad then there would be SIGNIFICANT reductions.
In fact, the big reductions were on the Suunto 9 and I think we can all agree that has been a huge product for Suunto.I agree with the other posters on here that almost all tech, whether it be watch, phone, TV, console, camera, anything, is more likely than not within 12 months of release to go through sales or a permanent price drop.
Heck, since the launch of the S7 there has been Black Friday, Christmas Sales, and now January Sales (and that’s just in the UK). I have seen reductions on almost all Fossil watches, most Garmin watches, the Apple Watch, and in fact, most tech out there.Saying that a product is selling badly simply because they are putting it on sale is both inaccurate and indeed shows a significant amount of naivety of the subject. Unless your only goal is simply to bash Suunto, in which case I for one will simply disregard all of your posts from now on.
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We are in sales season, feel free to guess what you want to think, but is a classic almost in every web.
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@olymay that’s a good tip. It shows completely different here in the U.S. it’s just $399.00 as a regular price no sale or discount mentioned through suuntos site. Third party retailers like REI etc also have it listed at $399 regular price (this was after it opened here in the states at $499 regular price). Might be different marketing strategies depending on the market?
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@olymay I do however respectively disagree with you on the price drop opinion that items after a year drop in MSRP regularly. That doesn’t tend to hold true for well selling tech. Look at things like Polar H10 or OH1+ sensor or Garmin’s watches from 2019 even. Still the same MSRP. However it’s fine to disagree. Also I’ve got no issue with Suunto as a company. I think the 5 and 9 have been really excellent devices for the market they target and I love they are still supporting them through Suunto plus features. No brand save for maybe Apple updates three year old wearable tech with new features. Those owners have gotten really great bang for their buck. I’ve only been addressing my concerns with the Suunto 7. Not once in any other posting have I critiqued suuntos efforts with any other devices.
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@brotzfrog10 It’s entirely possible that are different strategies for different companies.
So what was the price at launch in the US? as $399 pretty close to the launch price here in the UK (once you have added in US sales tax etc). Most tech products sell at the same numbers, just with the symbol at the front changed.
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@brotzfrog10 You can’t compare a Suunto 7 to Polar or Garmin, they are simply not in the same category. The S7 is a WearOS device (albeit a WearOS device with outstanding Suunto fitness smarts inside it).
Like @Hughesy-and-Annalise I have had a number of WearOS devices and I have never paid full retail price for any of them, despite buying them all within 3 months of launch.
Even Apple run offers and sales of the kit not too long after launch.If you do insist on using Garmin and Polar as a comparison, again they run sales, offers, and promotions constantly.
In fact, as with almost everything in life, if you have a little patience and know where to look, you rarely need to pay full price for anything (unless you want it the instant it is launched).
And fair point, you have only gone after the S7, but you have gone after it with some zeal. One would almost think an S7 slept with your wife/husband!
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@olymay the launch price in the US was $499 but all US channels that I’ve come a crossed now have the list price at $399 with various sales occurring off that $399 price (being its the new base price).
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@olymay I have that zeal for it because I just feel like it’s such an incredible missed opportunity! I really enjoy the sunnto brand and the Suunto training app and had they just ported those options into the 7 I really feel like they would of had one of if not the best smart watch on the market. Something no one else to this point could have really competed with on training and smart watch features. It’s because of my zeal for the Suunto brand that I’m so disappointed in their handcuffing of the Suunto 7.
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@brotzfrog10 I feel like you and I both want the same thing, external sensor support. However I feel we have both about it in differing ways, with your posts often coming across as angry and aggressive.
I can honestly understand your frustrations, I really can, but if we as users want Suunto to listen to us, then getting all ranty on a forum is not going to work.
The more users that request this feature the more chance we have of Suunto adding it. Or maybe we don’t’ If they are set on this configuration then they are set on it. Maybe with the S7 V2?? Who knows. But we can still provide our feedback (in a non-ranty way).
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@olymay that’s a fair critique. I certainly want the feature and hopefully we are being heard. I think what made me get on a rant from the beginning was a couple of the moderators and people connected with Suunto saying this wasn’t a feature that the target market for the watch wanted. That to me that seems absolutely ridiculous and made me start thinking maybe Suunto doesn’t really know what to do with the 7. Had the response just been it’s certainly something we hear users want and are looking into as we enhance the user experience for 7 owners (just a nice PC answer) I wouldn’t have been nearly as irritated.
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@brotzfrog10 The moderators, testers, and developers are more connected with Suunto than you or I are and are more likely to know Suunto’s plans and intentions.
It doesn’t matter if we agree or not, we should always do so with respect and manners.
I happen to agree that the S7 shouldn’t be marketed at the casuals and soccer mums, as it is too big and expensive for them (and they are all blinkered to Samsung, Apple, or Fossil anyway). I believe it should be aimed at the fitness enthusiast who wants the features of a Suunto/Garmin/Polar but also wants a proper smartwatch, and doesn’t want to switch devices during the day to get this (I say this from a selfish standpoint as this is exactly the bracket I fall into
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It could be a a killer watch, but as this is the first WearOS device Suunto have ever made, maybe they went in softly softly gently gently to start with, test the water as it were.
Maybe there will be more added to the S7 soon, or there will be a follow up device that really nails it. Only Suunto knows.For the time being, I honestly love my S7, even more so after the recent update. And I will keep my fingers crossed for external sensor support in the Suunto App soon
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Ey guys can we focus in the update more than in what you want for the watch? there is a topic for that. (in case of sensor support)
Thanks!
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Just following up on my first impressions, as I’ve ran 4 or 5 times under this update now (with NO problems at all).
I’m generally using “Best” and I’ve followed a route with Waypoints every time (cos I like doing that - force myself to not just pick the same old street loops automatically all the time)…
…Getting about 12% per hour drain - with maybe an average of about 8 Waypoints being notified (I think this pops it out of low power mode?), plus roughly 10 auto lap notifications per hour…doesnt seem to make much difference to me whether I enable Airplane mode or not (I don’t run with Phone).I’ve tried one WALK with ‘Good’ GPS and I think that was about half as power hungry per hour, but I’d like to test that more before concluding.
A few requests I’d like to see, all pretty minor really >>
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The “next Waypoint” alert should be enabled/disabled via an option. I can understand why some people would want notifying how far away the next Waypoint is immediately after passing one, but my use case for them is that this info is NEVER something that has been useful or of interest. I like the ‘pre warning’ you get about 100metres before, and I like the warning AT the notification, but then to get a beep maybe 3 seconds later telling me that in 897metres there’s a left turn isn’t very useful to me!
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I assume this has always been like this, but the ‘lap’ counter that pops up on the auto lap notification doesn’t seem to be particularly well defined. It’s “too white” and I can barely read it.
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Similarly pretty poor UI decisions seem to have been made with some tiny numbers particularly on the map screen. The scale marker (200metres etc etc) is TINY…I think it should be larger all the time, but definitely should grow temporarily at least when the + or - scale button is pressed. There are some tiny numbers that appear on this screen also, that I’ve no idea what they are as they’re definitely too small to read mid run!
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The “get ready to start” screen, where you can swipe down to reveal the map prior to starting an activity…can this map also take advantage of the compass, rather than being fixed to North Up ?
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Some spurious leading 0’s could be removed for readability. When running in min/km, then its very rare to be going slower than 9m59s/km…yet there’s ALWAYS a leading 0 displayed. It makes knowing whether the number is a 5:xx/km or 6:xx/km quite difficult to determine when running at night (I KNOW when its 4:xx/km!). Would prefer the 0 to be dropped and fatten the font (would also like to see the elapsed time down the bottom grow in size a bit if possible).
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More Waypoint types PLEASE! (arrows especially!).
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Ability to add existing POI’s directly into a route - I’ve worked out in a certain click-sequence I can see at least one standalone POI when I go to the routes screen…so it becomes a hint of where to click to create one actually in the route, but I don’t know what I click to do that. It would be good to be able to enable a ‘POI layer’ when editing routes.
Thats about it really. It all feels super reliable and stable to me. The Waypoint alerting thing is so good that after the first two runs I did, I’ve not even looked at the actual maps - although they’ll definitely come in useful when I start to head back out to trails and less familiar routes once we’re “allowed” to start returning towards more normal behaviours.
Next this weekend I think will be time to test a few runs on ‘good’ GPS and also with no route following, and monitor battery usage…I suspect I’ll see improvement when not following routes, due to my current approach of using Waypoints and getting 3 “non low power” notifications per change of direction (when I want just 2!).
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Oh yeah…
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It seems it’s about 100m as the crow flies, but in real terms that can be quite far away.
Again, ideally a configurable…50m/100m/200metres…but I got a feeling that half the current distance would still filter out any bad GPS moments, but also notify early enough to prevent going too far wrong.
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@nigel-taylor-0 agree with you here , have done a few more runs and by the time I get notified, the 100m is like a bit too far stating the obvious for me.
For me I get 6% battery drain per hour following the route with a few waypoints. I run with phone though and using the Good GPS option.
Good to see that even with not running with phone and using Best option, that the battery drain is what you’ve stated. Still fairly decent battery life. And the standby drain overnight is pretty minimal so with a run or two, I’m still getting bang on about two days of Smartwatch usage.
Pretty happy myself with it all.
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@hughesy-and-annalise is battery drain different with a phone connected? I thought the Suunto app used the builtin chip regardless? In fact, I would have thought battery drain would be worse with a connected phone what with pushing notifications and such.
