So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?

Ramón Castañer Botella · 24 Feb 2021, 19:29

@pavel-samokha

That’s very easy:
You enter in Movescount site, you look in Community and then in Groups. You look for the biggest groups for example:
https://www.movescount.com/groups/group2318-Suunto_Ambit_family_users

Then you look for the 10 LATEST MOVES and you open some of them. At the end of some Move it appears how it has been upload.
As you will see, you can find Moves uploaded with:
Suunto 9 Baro
Suunto Spartan Ultra
Suunto Quest

And also from 3rd parties like:
FitnessSyncer
iQniter
MXActivityMover

The question is WHY???

freeheeler · 24 Feb 2021, 19:32

@ramón-castañer-botella
3rd parties is maybe because of forgotten sync services?

Ramón Castañer Botella · 24 Feb 2021, 19:34

@freeheeler

Could you give one example of how to do it???

In any case, it is ridiculous that Movescount site is still working with some Suunto models or with some 3rd parties.

If Movescount is closed then it is closed for everyone. I don’t understand this politics.

freeheeler · 24 Feb 2021, 19:40

@ramón-castañer-botella
nobody said that movescount will be killed. I remember that it will still be active with a reduced service

Ramón Castañer Botella · 24 Feb 2021, 19:43

@freeheeler
Fine.
Then could you explain how does this reduced service work to use it with my Suunto Ambit3??

pavel.samokha · 24 Feb 2021, 19:44

@ramón-castañer-botella OK, that’s interesting, thanks

I can partially answer the question:

Moveslink1 api is working and hence you can see Quest, M4, M5; nothing changed regarding these devices
Third-party APIs hasn’t been disabled yet probably
As for other devices I found only one workout made with Spartan Sport WHR. If you can post more links with recent Ambit/Spartan/S watches, I’ll be grateful. I’m really curious how do they “leak” into.

Anyway if you try to find the way to upload workouts to Movescount - there really no point in it. Even if there is a way to do it then it’s only matter of time when it will be “fixed”.

Ramón Castañer Botella · 24 Feb 2021, 19:50

@pavel-samokha

Of course many APIs hasn’t been disabled yet and not probably. That’s for sure with the names I’ve written before.

I don’t like to post here individual Moves of someone. If you want you can search for them.

freeheeler · 24 Feb 2021, 19:53

@ramón-castañer-botella
no I can’t, sorry. I’m just a fan and user, not part of the team.
But I would like to know in a short summary what your actual problem is that we could help you with?

Ramón Castañer Botella · 24 Feb 2021, 19:58

@freeheeler

The problem is that I found Movescount site was very useful and much more than the new Suunto app that only works with the small screen of a mobile phone.
For using a big screen in a PC now I’m using quantified-self.io site that is very beautiful in design. However for me Movescount was more functional.
Of course, all of this without mention that since Movescount site has been “closed” I can’t view as a graphic the big quantity apps I have made for the Ambit. I can only use them in my watch but I have lost the temporal registry of the app data.

As you can imagine I’m veeeery angry

chrish · 24 Feb 2021, 20:07

@ramón-castañer-botella

I’m no authority on this, but in summary…

Movescount will drop the data analysis/moves part of what you have historically used it for, that goes to the Suunto App or like you said, third party.

Movescount will continue in some form to manage your watch settings, POIs, Routes, etc on older watches. That’s assuming they get that fixed in short order. There have been a few things broken there in that regard over the last year+, but hopefully they get it sorted out sooner rather than later.

freeheeler · 24 Feb 2021, 20:09

@ramón-castañer-botella
I can not only imagine, it is clearly noticable from your posts
it is how it is, Ambit was way ahead of competitor watches and maybe not the most wanted watch for everyone but it was very capable and customizable as you also mention with the apps and how you made use of it. I did that myself, too.
The thing is that companies need strategies to be able keeping up with the competitors and hence to pay salleries.
The time of Ambit has come and while it is still a useful watch it has lost some of its functions as I understand. But Ambit integration into SA is not entirely over afaik. For MC the communication was that the relevant features will remain, in my understanding: you will still be able to do app coding.
If MC does not show any of the activities anymore, I would expect that it will be available in SA eventually.

freeheeler · 24 Feb 2021, 20:10

@chrish
yes, I would expect that. But if so, with lower priority as only new watches generate money. (and happy customers that stay with Suunto)

Ramón Castañer Botella · 24 Feb 2021, 20:14

@freeheeler

You said “that companies need strategies to be able keeping up with the competitors”.
That’s not true because there are different competitors brands with which you can make your own apps and upload the data as temporal graph registry, for example, Garmin.

chrish · 24 Feb 2021, 20:14

@freeheeler

yes and no. I sold my Spartan due to poor functionality onboard the watch as compared to the Ambit. Early releases of the Suunto App made that seem even worse, even though MC was still available and viable for the Spartan…it produced a lack of confidence in the entire platform. And I’ve yet to jump on the S9 due to the same reasons…eagerly awaiting POI management. That’s still in ‘beta’ on iOS, so I’m still waiting. But you don’t continue to make money on new watches if you dump on your customer base by managing transitions the way Suunto has over the last 2 years. Suunto would have gotten another $600-700 from me when the S9 dropped, but they didn’t. So they missed out on an entire cycle of upgrade potentially. Even w/ the 30% owner loyalty I’ve got sitting in my inbox, it might be too little to late to have made that money, I might wait for vNext from Suunto at this point.

freeheeler · 24 Feb 2021, 20:53

@chrish
I’m not sure what’s worse for Suunto, few really frustrated customers or some that are frustrated at first but then jump on the train? I’m sure they’ll loose customers but I’m also sure they can catch a lot of customers with their S-Line. The Spartans did not convince me at all, mainly because of the battery life. I was a happy A3PS user and now they’ve got my money for the S9B.

And that’s what I mean @Ramón-Castañer-Botella with keeping up with competitors. It does not mean to supply the most capable watch, it means to listen what the majority of users needs, plus some pros of course… and then adapt your product range to the market needs.
As I said, I used some of the Ambit apps and don’t miss any of them with the S9B.
And believe me (or do not and read my forum history), I was veeery skeptical and hesitant to upgrade to the S9B. It took me a while before I took the step forward.

Ramón Castañer Botella · 24 Feb 2021, 22:42

@freeheeler

You said “it means to listen what the majority of users needs”.
That’s a way to see the market but not ever is the best solution. For example, if you sell a product for the masses perhaps it wouldn’t be the best product neither the most expensive. Of course, this strategy can give more money to a corporation but perhaps this brand is going to loose some customers that are searching for a more professional product and obviously more expensive.

My impression is that Suunto is looking for a kind people interested on a more elegant watches than before but less focused on sports performance.

freeheeler · 24 Feb 2021, 23:17

@ramón-castañer-botella
I find my watch pretty perform-ish to be honest.
It’s not only about the products to streamline but mainly about the hard and software in the background that need to be maintained. This is frequent cost and needs to be optimised, too.

chrish · 25 Feb 2021, 03:16

@freeheeler
Yea, I get it. I just hope it works. I’m still on Suunto b/c of the hardware quality, the simplicity of the UI, and the GPS accuracy. If you’ve read any of my posts, I’m not in the category of most of you guys. It’s a backcountry nav tool for me, and nothing else. Yes, the GPS tracks after the fact are neat, but not necessary for me. Training, zero interest/need. But I get that targeting the rest of the folks that do use those features are the majority and where the $ is for sales.

But, I hope they are doing more than a poll on this forum, and I’m sure they are. Listening to the majority of users needs to be tempered with market and competitor research b/c ‘majority of users’ will typically result in building a product or service around the complainers…like me

Brad_Olwin · 25 Feb 2021, 12:51

@chrish The POI management is fully functional. I would not consider the “beta” builds to be what one might call beta. I have not ever been on the App Store release. There are occasionally some annoying bugs but most of those never make it to the beta. The field testers see the “beta” at least a week prior to general public release. I see no reason not to use the beta builds.

Egika · 25 Feb 2021, 13:17

@freeheeler said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

And that’s what I mean @Ramón-Castañer-Botella with keeping up with competitors. It does not mean to supply the most capable watch, it means to listen what the majority of users needs, plus some pros of course… and then adapt your product range to the market needs.

I am sure that Suunto is listening to their customer needs.
Now those needs should be better than just listing what is available elsewhere.
I do hope that Suunto is cooking their next innovations right now. Things nobody is thinkig of at the moment! Like when they came out with Fused Track.
For normal users it is difficult to think beyond the things you know.
For Suuntos innovation managers it should be their daily work and this is what gets you ahead of competition - not implementing stuff already available. This is what market followers do…