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    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @c1rclez
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      @c1rclez yup.

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      • Jamie BGJ Offline
        Jamie BG Bronze Member
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        Last night really showed the limitations due to the amount of data they are incorporating into their analysis.
        I had my second innoculation approx 24hrs before last night’s sleep, and by the time I went to bed last night I was again having a dull ache in left shoulder and HR was running around 10bpm higher (on first jab it was approx 20-30bpm higher and did completely knock me down - note had bad sleep tracking then too).
        Due to my higher HR, had no deep sleep, less REM, some awake (when I was asleep) and lots and lots of light sleep - so had my worst second worst sleep score (last one was on previous jab).
        I checked my Ox and respiration readings - all good as per normal, checked CPAP machine readings - and technically I did have an OK sleep, and all the other measurements all point out that I very likely did have deep sleep.
        So while the sleep record is very likely wrong on quality of sleep score, it and the body resouce meter (struggling to stay above 20 - as getting killed with stress - again due to HR running high) are actually correct in how I currently feel - run down, drained and struggling.
        So overall you have to give a win on overall impression - should I be running today - probably not. Will I be running today - possibly a light one instead of heavy- see how I feel later this evening. And to me that is the point of the sleep tracking and integrating it into body resources - to give you a guide towards how you should adjust your training in regards to how your body may be feeling. [Of course you could just go on how you feel, but sometimes its easy to use that as an excuse when actually everything indicates you are good to go - this time feel and indicators all point the same way).

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          Had yet another night of 100% sleep quality with zero awake time. That’s 5 nights in a row of 100% quality since I got the device. It is not possible for this to be true, especially when one remembers waking up and tossing and turning. It’s getting to be a little disheartening. I wore my Whoop strap to bed as well last night. Whoop credited me 7:33 hours of total sleep vs 8:20 with the S9P. Nearly an hour difference in sleep time!

          Both devices were within a minute of each other detecting when I fell asleep and within 3 minutes of detecting when I got up. Deep sleep was pretty close, each device within 9 minutes of the other.

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          • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @c1rclez
            last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

            @c1rclez could you try a factory reset or wearing it at the other arm?

            So lets try this:

            • Reboot the watch via 20s upper button hold.
            • Sleep with it at the other hand
            • Full factory reset if the same situation

            Question in advance:

            Does the watch record steps and 24/7 HR ?

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            • DMytroD Offline
              DMytro
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              s9 here, but the same “issue”:
              I had 99% sleep quality tonight, but don’t feel rested & was waking up a few times at night. This is somewhat reflected through resources which use a different algorithm. The core of my consern lies on me never before experiencing this high of a sleep score.

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              • EgikaE Offline
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                @jamie-bg guess what happened on May 22nd 🥴

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                  @c1rclez Hello from a fellow WHOOP user! Well, mostly former user… Though I have it on my arm right now to validate Peak, what else?

                  S9P is nowhere as sensitive to sleep disturbances as WHOOP was, and one might argue if WHOOP was correct. It normally reported me having 10-12 sleep disturbances per night with 30-40 min awake time while I could barely remember any. Now, I get it sometimes you wake up and fall immediately back asleep and don’t remember anything, but I think 30-40 minutes is plenty…

                  That being said, while WHOOP was probably overestimating the amount of wake time picking up on any movement during the night, S9P clearly misses shorter periods when you are awake, especially when you are tossing and turning.

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                    A Former User
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                    To answer your original question: the watch would stop sleep tracking upon alarm that you turn off it seems. It would also stop if you disable DND or start syncing your watch with the app.

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                    • Jamie BGJ Offline
                      Jamie BG Bronze Member @c1rclez
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                      @c1rclez

                      What does your ave HR post against your sleep, and have you checked your HR to see if there are any major blips on it, showing that you definitely woke.

                      Maybe your HR didn’t move significantly and if you haven’t stood up, its very likely that it might not record it a wake period. I suspect that in your wake periods it was recorded as light sleep, just like it does if you sit and watch tv during your sleep time, don’t move much and your HR lowers similar to sleep - you get a massive light sleep patch, which goes to wake up when you stand up to go to bed.

                      So if you do wake and want to see a wake period, maybe move around a lot / stand up…

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                        Yesterday I had an interesting situation.
                        I took the watch off after bathing around 24:00, put it back on around 4:00 (then it started measuring heart rate again). I went to bed and woke up around 11:30. The watch counted almost 12 hours of sleep! For me, compared to Suunto 7 this watch is not suitable for sleep monitoring. maybe they will fix something in the next update.

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                        • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mlatej
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                          @mlatej it does not base sleep to heart rate. So yeah if you take the watch off during the sleep time it will register sleep. You can also turn off the 24/7 hr and still track your sleep …

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                            @mlatej
                            And I’m pretty sure it is also stated in the user manual

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                              @sartoric The manual does not say that the watch will measure sleep when you take it off. It does say that it relies on an accelerometer. It makes no sense that when the watch is motionless (for example, lying on a desk) it measures this as deep sleep…

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                                @mlatej
                                I guess the manual has been updated when deep sleep data was added, anyway it actually uses accelerometer as you normally don’t move that much while you’re deep sleeping, so the watch guess it’s “right” 😁

                                The only way for the watch to start monitoring sleep is to check the sleeping range time and then any movements as it cannot check your brainwaves 🙂

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                                  @sartoric correct.

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                                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos Well, it’s not quite like that either 😉 In my watch I have set my sleep time to be between 4:15 and 13:45. In the manual it is written that outside these hours the sleep will not be counted. In my watch, however, sleep is counted outside of these hours… That is why it counted only 12 hours of sleep then, and today, despite the fact that I got up far after 13:45, it still counted it as sleep.
                                    I don’t really know how it works, but maybe I will learn it somehow, or there will be an update which will sort it out 😉Zrzut ekranu 2021-07-04 o 18.41.09.png 211923718_237447197931641_2042483268669463170_n.png

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                                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mlatej
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                                      @mlatej I truly believe the device has an issue if you wore it after waking up.

                                      Just for my sanity and sorry if you had answerd and didn’t see it so far.

                                      Does the device count steps. ?

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                                        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos Hmmm, it looks like it’s counting, but I have no way to check if it’s working well except by manually counting the steps 😄

                                        What I do know is that the Raise to wake function works pretty clumsy… I think this function uses accelerometer too. Here I created a thread about this issue: https://forum.suunto.com/topic/6711/raise-to-wake
                                        Maybe there is something wrong with my accelerometer?

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                                          I noticed this behavior with S5. It can detect quite good when i fall a sleep. But it often doesn’t recognize when i wake up. I must get up from bed and walk or move with hands for a while for watch to notice that i woke up. And during night it sometimes doesn’t notice i got up and went to toilete. So if i am away from bed for only few minutes, it often didn’t notice at all. There is room for improvement, but i am not sure what precision can be achivied with these kind of device.

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                                            @hristijan-petreski totaly agree, same with S5.

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