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How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?

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    VoiGAS Silver Members @DirkM
    last edited by 25 Sept 2024, 12:49

    @DirkM Did you run following a route in sunny conditions? This was the biggest problem for me


    Race S
    Ambit3 Vertical

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      fv4500 Bronze Member
      last edited by 25 Sept 2024, 13:25

      On the discussion about the future of the 9PP, the other day I was shopping for a new pair of trail shoes. They were showcasing Suunto watches and you could touch and feel them. These were nonfunctional mock-ups, by the way. I discussed with the guy the new Race S and asked about how many Suunto AMOLED vs. MIP watches they were selling. The answer was that 4 out of 5 watches sold were AMOLED, with 1 out of 5 MIP (and these were Verticals), reason being that people feel AMOLED “the next big thing” in display technologies: they look much better.

      AMOLED sells watches, that’s the fact.

      IMHO, unless Suunto launches a Vertical-S anytime soon, MIP will die with the Vertical. Let’s face it, Suunto nailed it with the Race S in price and features packed. I’ll miss MIP.

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        VoiGAS Silver Members
        last edited by 25 Sept 2024, 16:41

        Maybe my Watch is different from the others, I have other expectations or I am not able to set the watch correctly

        My Watch: Race S, made in China…

        My Use Case: Running at daylight, if possible sunny conditions

        My settings: Highest Brightness and AOD on, lift to wake off ( I have AOD on, so…)

        Sounds like it should be always readable, right? But it is not. The display is reducing the brightness after a few seconds to a level below “low” and doesn’t go up anymore. This brightness level is unreadable in the sunlight

        So you have to activate lift to wake, else you brightness setting is ignored. That works, but it takes about 1 second. Sounds not like much, but during running its an additional stride you have with your hand lifted. For me thats at least annoying if not unacceptable for a sportwatch.

        Maybe I got something wrong, but I don’t get how this can be better than the 9 Peaks MIP for running outdoor. For indoor AMOLED is much better, I agree on this.


        Race S
        Ambit3 Vertical

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          VoiGAS Silver Members
          last edited by VoiGAS 25 Sept 2024, 18:01

          At least I am not the only one https://forum.suunto.com/post/144517
          And for cycling:
          https://forum.suunto.com/topic/10268/bright-mode-cycling/

          Too bad I didn’t read them before buying the Race S. If the AOD setting will be fixed to “Always On” instead of “Always Off” the AMOLED display will be absolutly fine. Until then I cannot recommend the Race S for “Sun Runners”. I guess for biking its even worse because Lift to wake doesn’t work on a mount.
          9PP is currently the better choice I would say, anyone planning to buy Race (S) should be aware of the problem


          Race S
          Ambit3 Vertical

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            isazi Moderator @VoiGAS
            last edited by 26 Sept 2024, 08:14

            @VoiGAS both posts you mention are before the update that allowed display setting to be specified per sport.

            Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

            Blog: isazi's home

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              DirkM @VoiGAS
              last edited by 26 Sept 2024, 08:30

              @VoiGAS I have been a runner for many years and see no problem in raising my wrist and waiting for the display to activate - in less than a second, in my opinion. But maybe we have different needs. Besides, the MIP display has been no different in twilight and darkness with the backlight turning on.

              Suunto Race S ! Suunto 9 Peak ! Suunto Spartan Sport Wrist HR ! Suunto Ambit2R

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                VoiGAS Silver Members @isazi
                last edited by 26 Sept 2024, 09:56

                @isazi You are right - but there is still no solution for situations without lift to wake, right?


                Race S
                Ambit3 Vertical

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                  VoiGAS Silver Members @DirkM
                  last edited by 26 Sept 2024, 10:08

                  @DirkM I agree, in darkness/twilight the MIP was worse. But for my preffered weather conditions it was perfect.
                  So it depends, but I think it is important to be clear about the pros and cons.
                  For Indoor, twilight, night, home AMOLED is better
                  For Sun MIP is better
                  As this is a major difference between 9PP and Race S it fits here


                  Race S
                  Ambit3 Vertical

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                    Mauerwegler @VoiGAS
                    last edited by 26 Sept 2024, 18:14

                    Fun fact:

                    • A refurbished S9PP Ti costs 359 € right now.
                    • A brand new S9PP Ti costs 349 € right now.

                    Maybe it is because the refurbished one is Made in Finland? 🤔😂

                    Vertical All Black
                    Spartan Ultra Stealth Ti (with Polar H10 or Suunto Smart Sensor)
                    Vector
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                      far-blue Bronze Member
                      last edited by 26 Sept 2024, 21:50

                      Clearly the obvious solution is to own both a Race S and a 9PP 😉

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                        Brad_Olwin Moderator @VoiGAS
                        last edited by Brad_Olwin 30 Sept 2024, 00:43

                        @VoiGAS said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

                        An update here after more usage: Yes, maps are great - but not as much as I thought. After a longer Trail Run today I noticed that about 50% of the trails on Y crossings were not in the map. So it also didn’t help in this case. And in the case where it helped I’m not sure if I would also be able to find the right way with the old maps.

                        And Display: AMOLED is rubbish. I really, really hate it after I did some workouts and the longer run today. Its like the watch is trying to work against you, turning of the screen all the time. Even when I activated AOD in every sportsmode the map still gets dark until its not readable anymore. And still, after 9h running with navigation the battery was below 50%.

                        Well, I respectfully disagree here. I don’t use AOD and find responsiveness on turning my wrist superb - I have no issues while racing where I have less time to glance at the Screen. With navigation on I am getting close to 30h battery estimate. On a 7h 26 min 50K race with navigation and climb guidance I lost 14% battery on Race S as measured by JSON file. Both are in direct sun at 1700 m elevation.
                        @wakarimasen

                        Below are zonesense from Race S and Vertical. The AMOLED screen refreshes quickly and shows up in photos.
                        IMG_0489.jpeg IMG_0374.jpeg

                        Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                          VoiGAS Silver Members @Brad_Olwin
                          last edited by VoiGAS 30 Sept 2024, 15:56

                          @Brad_Olwin Thats really strange. My Race S takes about 1 second to light up, even after a hard reset. Is yours faster or is this lag acceptable for you?
                          Regarding battery lifetime: Did you use maps on navigation? I heard thats the big battery eater and I used them on my 9h run. Without them the battery lifetime seems good enough. Even good enough it could power a real Always On Display in my opinion…

                          Edit: Measuring the one second speaking the word “twentyone”. Not very scientific or precise - but I can speak the whole word before the display lights up, so this should be around one second


                          Race S
                          Ambit3 Vertical

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                            Brad_Olwin Moderator @VoiGAS
                            last edited by 1 Oct 2024, 14:32

                            @VoiGAS battery lifetimes with maps on but not on map page 100% and course loaded but no TBT. As fast as I turn my wrist screen is bright no AOD and full raise to wake. During non- exercise might be slower but that doesn’t matter. During exercise plenty fast for me but likely not fast enough on a bike.

                            Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                              VoiGAS Silver Members @Brad_Olwin
                              last edited by VoiGAS 10 Jan 2024, 15:18 1 Oct 2024, 14:55

                              @Brad_Olwin Interesting, thank you for this answer. Looks like the watches behave a little different. I hope one of the next updates will give me a similar performance - then I am perfectly happy with the Race S

                              Edit: Found some strange behaviour after experimenting with the settings, but its to OT here - I opened a new topic


                              Race S
                              Ambit3 Vertical

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                                VoiGAS Silver Members
                                last edited by 6 Oct 2024, 17:51

                                Maybe some positive things about the Races S compared to 9PP
                                I already said I don’t like the AMOLED display at all. But there is one thing I really like: the torch feature. I thought about it as a useless gimmick, but it works great and easy to access via shortcut
                                The maps are not as useful as I thought for Y crossing and routing. But if you are not following a route and just want to checkout where a trail will bring you during a hike - perfect!

                                So two points for the Race S 😀


                                Race S
                                Ambit3 Vertical

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                                  VoiGAS Silver Members
                                  last edited by 20 Oct 2024, 14:51

                                  Is it just for me or did Suunto really changed back the price of the Peak Pro? For me in the shop the price for the steel version is again 349€ after it went down to 299€ some weeks ago.
                                  I don’t think they will sell a lot for the price of the Race S


                                  Race S
                                  Ambit3 Vertical

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                                    TrailEyes Gold Members @VoiGAS
                                    last edited by 20 Oct 2024, 16:23

                                    @VoiGAS On the U.S. site, steel 9PP listed at $249. Not sure why there’d be such a difference between dollars and euros though.

                                    Suunto Vertical / 9 Peak Pro (gifted away) / 9 Baro / 5 Peak (lost on adventure) / Vector
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                                    Trail Runner / Hiker / Kickboxer
                                    Instagram: @rytipps

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                                      VoiGAS Silver Members @TrailEyes
                                      last edited by 20 Oct 2024, 18:17

                                      @TrailEyes Thats a great deal!


                                      Race S
                                      Ambit3 Vertical

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                                        Audaxjoe @VoiGAS
                                        last edited by 20 Oct 2024, 18:26

                                        @VoiGAS also think about it on a bike handlebars. Next to useless. The Vertical is always readable. If it gets dark you turn the backlight on.

                                        Suunto Vertical
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                                        Garmin Fenix 3, 5
                                        Suunto Vector

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                                          Elipsus Silver Members @TrailEyes
                                          last edited by 21 Oct 2024, 08:42

                                          @TrailEyes That’s usually because US prices are displayed w\o taxes (as it varies from state to state) while euro prices include VAT

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