How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?

MKPotts

@VoiGAS said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

About the battery life: Is the Race S better than S9PP after the last update? Before it was a draw on Single Channel exercise, but now the Race S got a little extra battery lifetime

One thing to consider with battery life is that if you use an external hr sensor (or no hr recording) rather than the watch optical sensor, the gain for battery might be proportionally greater for the 9PP than for the Race S.

For an 8hr run last weekend, showing the navigation screen all of the time, autolaps every 1km and connected to a Polar Verity Sense HR monitor, my 9PP used 15% battery. Battery burn rates consistent with 50-55hrs are what I always see in this configuration, incredibly good for such a small watch.

I don’t know what the battery burn rate is with the Race S when using an external sensor but guess it will be higher than the 9PP because of the screen (unless it is off most of the time).

wurzlsepp

@Egika said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

@Prenj let’s see.
I know many that prefer the always on MIP display for the outdoors.

Well, the problem from a market perspective could be that those many don’t buy new watches that often …

VoiGAS

As the 9PP is still not discounted I really think about buying the Race S. Only the battery lifetime (without training) is bothering me. Are there any experience about the maximum lifetime without notifications, heart rate, sleep tracking and lowest display setting? Are 14 days possible that? Else the 9PP would still have a big advantage

krakra

@VoiGAS i paid 200€ for new titanium s9pp on amazon.

VoiGAS

@krakra I guess you were very, very lucky. I can’t even find a new one there. Used for 364€ - thats to much. Maybe I will also be lucky, for 200€ or even 270€ like above its a no brainer for the titanium

krakra

@VoiGAS said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

ew one there. Used for 364€ -

it is marked as 9 peak … picture shows 9pp. They have error in the title. But eventually it is 9pp. I just checked and i noticed price is back to 399. So I guess i was really lucky to get special discount. I would probably not buy it for retail price. But for 200 i could not resist.

VoiGAS

Found the maximum battery lifetime for the Race S: 13 days with everything off. Sounds good to me. I’m afraid the list of the 9PP is getting shorter, I’ll wait till september and see if Suunto will discount it

Евгений 2

@fv4500 hello! and how do you like the loud vibration at 9pp?

VoiGAS

The discount is here finally! 9PP reduced to 299€ from 350€. Tempting, but as a 9P owner I think the difference is not significant enough for me to justify the buy

Umer Javed

@VoiGAS said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

…I think the difference is not significant enough for me to justify the buy

That’s an important point. Important question to ask if your current setup is hindering your training in any way. If it’s not, maybe best to wait it out a bit more as the tech will improve every year

I migrated to the 9PP from the Ambit 3 Peak, and before that I had the Garmin Forerunner 201 (that big ugly rectangle ), so it was a major jump between generations each time I upgraded. When I was buying the 9PP in October 2022, I gave myself the goal of not replacing for at least 5 years. I’ve been tempted with each of the new releases since then but I’m trying to push how much I can utilize what I have.

So, I’m waiting for a model in Autumn 2027 with this wishlist:

Routable watch maps
Multiband GPS (L1, 2, 5, 6…)
1-month battery (lifestyle tracking)
100m+ WR
Wrist HR tracking on par with market leaders in that era
9PP/Race S formfactor
sapphire glass
mip woud be nice but I don’t care as much about the screen tech, I assume 3 more years is suitable time for the watch display tech to have addressed some issues that are present right now.

Евгений 2

@Umer-Javed Does the nasty, rattling vibration bother you in your watch? would you like to have a vibration power setting in the watch of the 27th year? I also like the 9pp form factor, but the vibration is really annoying, everything else is fine.

VoiGAS

@Umer-Javed Nice watch history. I had a similar journey, but with additional filling material
Garmin FR201
Garmin FR910XT
Suunto Ambit3 Vertical
Suunto 5
Suunto 9 Peak

Half of them wouldn’t have been necessary and I chose the 9P vs 9PP because it was 100€ cheaper last year. But that was before Suunto stopped updates on the 9P and brought really nice features like HRV and ClimbPro to the 9PP. Also new Suunto Apps are coming and can be saved on the S9PP (but not on the S9P). Looking back the 100€ would have been a good invest.

wurzlsepp

@VoiGAS well, if it helps you: i don’t think you’d miss the two named features a lot if you had them The HRV is mostly a gimmick in my opinion, since the HR sensor present in the watch is simply not realiable enough (for me that is); i turned HRV off. Min HR over the night is literally the same …
And the climb feature is nice, but very basic at the moment. In my bike holiday i ended up setting a way point before each climb in the Suunto App with the peak height as name. A bit more work, but also a more reliable solution. That may change if they add inclination, a proper elevation model and colors in the graph though

Mauerwegler

@TrailEyes said in How is the 9PP positioned with the new arrival of the RaceS?:

I have a Q&A with Suunto that’s in the editing phase and publishing next week, but I’ll offer up a sneak peek here

[…]

“Race S is more or less designed to replace it and modernize it. But with the 9 Peak Pro being a MIP display, it may still have a place in the line through the end of the year or even longer. There’s just a matter of whether it can be engineered now with some new supply chain options that we have and can it be sold profitably at a price point that’s in the mid-$200s?”

On Suunto’s website it now says the S9PP is produced in CN (select Specifications in the menu), not in FI. Did they really move manufacturing so late in the life of the product? On the Race S page it also says CN (and not FI, CN as I expected).

VoiGAS

@Mauerwegler You are right, Race S is just “Developed in Finland” regarding to the website and produced in China. If now everything in build in China, then my next watch is from Coros.
To bad I ordered the Race S exactly today, I’ll check if I can cancel. For me thats a Gamechanger - but the negative one

VoiGAS

@Mauerwegler Same for the Vertical!!!

Egika

@VoiGAS my Race S is “designed and made in Finland”

VoiGAS

@Egika Yes, it must have changed in the last days. My Race S should arrive in 2-3 days, then we will see…

far-blue

I believe there was a forum topic about this when the Race was released. If I remember correctly, watches are being manufactured both in China and in Finland, with the Finland production targeted at Europe distribution and China production covering the rest of the world. Of course, if there is surplus stock in one location it is likely to get moved around. With multiple manufacturing locations it would just be messy to explain that on the website.

Maryn

@VoiGAS my race s will arrive tomorrow . I will let you know