Race S vs Vertical
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@duffman19 S9PP with the maps add-on could in fact be considered a Vertical S. Or a Suunto 9 Peak Pro Plus
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Greta interview found on this forum:
https://www.actionhub.com/outdoors/qa-an-energized-suunto-reconnects-with-its-core/āRace S is more or less designed to replace it and modernize it. But with the 9 Peak Pro being a MIP display, it may still have a place in the line through the end of the year or even longer. Thereās just a matter of whether it can be engineered now with some new supply chain options that we have and can it be sold profitably at a price point thatās in the mid-$200s. If so, then maybe it has a new place to live for at least a little while longer, so that there is another MIP option in the lineup besides just Vertical.ā
==> To me it sounds like Suunto will use S9PP to make it an āentry offerā but IMHO it is not so suitable to this market.
==> To me it sounds like another MIP compact watch will come someday but not in a near future
I find it insightfull on Suuntoās trajectory, focussing back on sport audience wether it is perf or adventure minded.
The ocean is another exemple of the good sens it brings but it lacks a ātriathleteā watch IMHO -
@GiPFELKiND Oh I didnāt notice the display, yeah MIP is way better
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@Kai-Liu said in Race S vs Vertical:
I got a vertical, but I feel that I am so dumb paying $800+ for vertical for that offline map, now race also have that offline map for just $300+.
What are some good stuff of vertical that race s doesnāt have besides the battery? I want to hear some to make me feel better
I also have the Vertical Ti and I have the same feeling. Probably many people here thinks the same as you. As users, the difference in price is just to important to not think in that.
In my case I want a watch with a big battery life (ultra races) and I prefer MIP display but Iām thinking in the Race S as a second watch even if itās Amoled. The thing is that for everyday use, it seems better for my small wrist and has better tracking software and even with better HR. For all my trainings and most races, I prefer the small form factor too (but not for the long races, of course).
There are things the Race S has: Better HR sensor, better sleep tracking software with naps and sleep phases, better step counter software and even a new barometer sensor. It is also lighter and more confortable. The screen is gorilla glass, which I do prefer a lot. Cheaper to manufacture than sapphire but better for everyday use in my opinion.
I have had an F6X Pro (5 years) and an F7 Pro, both with sapphire. I returned the F7 for the bad āgreyishā screen (that issue does not happen in the Vertical and Race, of course)
I also had a T-Rex 2 (Amoled) with gorilla glass and I liked the screen of that watch more than the Race screen because of the gorilla glass of the T-Rex 2
I have seen some reviews saying that Race S visibility is a bit better than Raceās, despite of the smaller screen and because of the cheaper gorilla glass.
So I prefer gorilla for the everyday better visibility. My wife still has an FR935 I bought on 2017 and the screen is perfect. That screen has better visibility than both Fenix expensive watches Iām talking about.So 7 years with an FR935 and lot of use with gorilla and no problems of scratches at all.
In my opinion sapphire is more a marketing thing (that Garmin started) and itās clearly a lot worse for everyday use.Iād love a Vertical S with MIP, gorilla glass and the same hardware / software fixes the Race S has. That could be a watch that could probably last a 100 miller with dual band enabled and with an screen that is valid for everyday condition. But having a Race S in the market, I donāt think that is going to happen (same watch with just different screen).
So, Iām my opinion. If you are fine with the battery life of the Race S and the 1.31 inch screen with Amoled, buy the Race S. It is a better watch if you donāt care about those things and no so better if you want MIP and you do ultras. Thatās were the Vertical excels
(Edited this post a lot to fix a bit my not so good english
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Vertical (especially solar) is double if not more battery life. When I was sick and recovery after that (with 0 trainings) my SV Solar hold over 30 days of battery. Sapphire is great - not sure if its marketing talking and I dont think so Gamin started that (I know sapphire long time before smartwatches/sportwatches appear). I used normal watch every day and my Casio got scratch after one week, vertical after 0.5 year - 0 scratches. Not sure about this Gorilla glass, but if its same as smartphones - its not good. I hold it in pocket very rarely drop, always care about my gadgets and still got scratches, cant imagine if i hold my smartwatch on wirst, would be so scratched (if thats Gorilla on watch is the same as on phones ofc. If not - im sorry for mistake). I hit so many times my SV on metal and other hard things, and its like brand new. About screen, yeah amoled could be cool, but SV MIP is great, especially outdoor during daylight, never had problem to read.
I can only agree that Race S got new sensor, better sleep tracking etc for the half of SV price. If its more comfortable - idk, i never had a problem with vertical. Got small wirst and its more comfortable for me than Suunto 9 Peak Pro. I dont regret Suunto Vertical. Its much better than Peak 9 Pro that was good but I never felt "its it, iam happy).
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@dreamer_ Sapphire is so not just marketing. I have FR965 with gorilla it already has scratches without major bumps just some door here and there. The Vertical I use in trails has seen some muds, sand and what not and has not a single scratch.
Take a gorilla glass at the beach with all the sand and youāll see how it gets -
7 year old gorilla:
0 scratches in the screen. And that watch has been used for Ironmans, ultras, lot of trail runningā¦ It is true that gorilla glass is more scratchable but what we are not said is that sapphire is more breakable and that can be a real issue:
āSapphire resists scratches more than Gorilla Glass but sapphire shatters easier than GG, which can withstand a sudden impact 2.5 times more.ā
And about visibility, here is an example of what I mean: https://youtu.be/eebxpZMOEX0?si=Ji9hw4ZFqtxfCQ7I
Thatās my personal opinion, of course. Based on my experience I prefer the cheaper gorilla glass without any doubt. But that could be different as another one. Our use of the watch is not the same but for me the GG is the prefered option
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@dreamer_
do you have a protective glass on it?SVTS - 2.40.38
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@sartoric nope. Btw. Itās a while thatās my wifeās watch now lol
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@EzioAuditore yes. It is more scratch resistant. I know that and I was already posting that . But despite being considered the āpremiumā option, itās also known easier to break (not to scratch) and has worse visibility for everyday use (as you can see in that video). Many people will prefer the sapphire and thatās fine, of course. For me, after many years with GG, I donāt have any kind of problem with the GG (and I prefer It for the mentioned reasons)
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@dreamer_ yes of course it can break more easy than a āplasticā since itās more hard and the pressure that you apply to a single point (never gonna happen in real life) is much higher than the same applied to a tempered due to the elasticity. The diameter of the sapphire in watches is not very big so shattering it is almost an impossible task.
I really love the visibility of the glass but under sun or light if you tilt it a bit you will see all the scratches.
Now the sapphire is reflective due to the coating but never gets scratched.
I have first hand experience for the toughness having just bought the newly released 9 Baro (black). Slipped on a wet floor and just put my hand to stop my head from hitting the wall. Cement fell I was 100% positive the watch is gone and the glass too. I could not inspect it good after the hit since I still had cement and white on the glass but could see the terrible dents in the bezel. Washed it good and couldnāt believe that the glass had not a single scratch on it.
I had Galaxy watch 3 and hit it on the corner of a desk (it was destroyed). So yes Iāll always choose sapphire even if it means less visibility -
@sartoric said in Race S vs Vertical:
@dreamer_
do you have a protective glass on it?I had protective glass on my Suunto Vertical (two different) but usulally it took 3-5 days to make and visible scratch. I throw them away after some opinions and dont use since end of 2023 to this day. Screen free of any scratch. Titanum bezel had many scratches but i polished + used sodium carbonate to make it daker again (thanks for someone from this forum!)
@EzioAuditore said in Race S vs Vertical:
@dreamer_ https://techtheday.com/sapphire-glass-vs-cornings-gorilla-glass-whats-real-score/
From my LIMITED knowledge, I know Sapphire is more scratch-free, but its easier to break than other materials. Here in this test is shown how it is about weight-strenght. I trust sapphire, becouse in my SV i hit screen so many times outdoor and especiallyin work november 2023 and its clean like brand new. If someone use it only for hiking/bike/run I think its impossible to do any damage.
I donāt find MIP + Sapphire so bad visibility. Maybe becouse I never had amoled + Gorilla Suunto. Its probably a lot better, but Vertical have so goood MIP quality screen. I saw Race + Sapphire vs Race S + Gorilla and its noticeable difference. But worth to trade saphire vs gorilla - I dont think so.
Sorry weāve gonne a little bit offtop.
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@Tami999 indeed
But if you read the article I sent above youāll see itās not really like Corning is presenting that it shutters easily. Itās actually quite durable and tough in all the tests not only scratch. I mean itās the next thing to a diamond soā¦ -
@Tami999 totally agree. The MIP of the Vertical is very very good. I have compared this display with the F7 and I returned the F7.
Iām super happy with the Vertical but Iāll probably buy an additional Race S and have both.@EzioAuditore what I mean is that GG is not that bad as people says. It is more scratchable but you are not going to scratch the watch so easily. It can happen but have a look at that 7 years old GG I have.
I mean, we can see lots of reviews about the good things of sapphire but GG has itās advantages that nobody talks about. If you read the last paragraph of the writer of your article, he is also pointing in the direction that personally I consider better. In any case everything is said about this.
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@Tieutieu said in Race S vs Vertical:
The race S in pretty but itās not the watch that will make me change my SV !
For many reasons (battery life, titanium and sapphire, size, mipsā¦)
But improvements and tech inside this small watch makes the future very promising !Well I guess I wanted to taste amoledā¦I finally couldnāt resist and ordered the Race Sā¦
Also because I send my SV for repairing on monday and absolutely need a strong spare watch during repair time.
I find the race s nicer than race. It will very certainly be a good companion for my SV, but will not replace it.
It should had arrived today but delivery was rescheduled because of Olympic flameā¦grrr will have to wait on Mondayā¦not Ā«Ā crossed testĀ Ā» until sv will come back from repairing (I wanted to compare ohr on SRs vs chest strap on SV). -
@dreamer_ said in Race S vs Vertical:
7 year old gorilla:
0 scratches in the screen. And that watch has been used for Ironmans, ultras, lot of trail runningā¦ It is true that gorilla glass is more scratchable but what we are not said is that sapphire is more breakable and that can be a real issue:
āSapphire resists scratches more than Gorilla Glass but sapphire shatters easier than GG, which can withstand a sudden impact 2.5 times more.ā
And about visibility, here is an example of what I mean: https://youtu.be/eebxpZMOEX0?si=Ji9hw4ZFqtxfCQ7I
Thatās my personal opinion, of course. Based on my experience I prefer the cheaper gorilla glass without any doubt. But that could be different as another one. Our use of the watch is not the same but for me the GG is the prefered option
Totally agree with you regarding the legibility comment. I have a 9PP (Sapphire), a Polar Vantage V2 (Gorilla) and a Garmin Forerunner 955 (Gorilla) and the last one is far and away the easiest to read whilst running. The 9PP is too reflective, whereas the Garmin seems to be almost āsee through.ā The Polar is (annoyingly) not bright enough!
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Vertical its like a WRC with pikes peak engine
Race s its like a hybrid formula e
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Just received my Race S while my SV was living for support (for solar panel issue).
What I can say :
- size is awesomeā¦because screen resolution makes it very readable
- small weight and design => fits wrist perfectly.
- not very fan of the crown but I new that before buying (but it works well)
- first amoled watch : sharp display and bright. Brightness to minimum is good for me.
- for the rest : no surprise at all, itās the āsameā watch than my SV
- Iāll check the daily use consumption, but for sure Iāll miss SV autonomy
- even if screen is very readable, size matters and my preference goes to SV screen size
- for the price, wowā¦thatās a 10 !!
To follow : exercice, and OHR test
For now, itās a caprice/pleasure purchase, but it will for sure perfectly do the job during the repairing time of my SV, and for local small races.
Suuntoās devices at home :
Vertical titanium solar
Suunto Race S
S9pp titanium sand
Suunto Wing
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@Tieutieu for those who are used to big watches (I also have the SV), can you try the watch on workout and post about readibility? I know the display is very good but Iām more near of 50 than 30 years old and It would nice to know a bit more about
