Race S vs Vertical
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Vertical (especially solar) is double if not more battery life. When I was sick and recovery after that (with 0 trainings) my SV Solar hold over 30 days of battery. Sapphire is great - not sure if its marketing talking and I dont think so Gamin started that (I know sapphire long time before smartwatches/sportwatches appear). I used normal watch every day and my Casio got scratch after one week, vertical after 0.5 year - 0 scratches. Not sure about this Gorilla glass, but if its same as smartphones - its not good. I hold it in pocket very rarely drop, always care about my gadgets and still got scratches, cant imagine if i hold my smartwatch on wirst, would be so scratched (if thats Gorilla on watch is the same as on phones ofc. If not - im sorry for mistake). I hit so many times my SV on metal and other hard things, and its like brand new. About screen, yeah amoled could be cool, but SV MIP is great, especially outdoor during daylight, never had problem to read.
I can only agree that Race S got new sensor, better sleep tracking etc for the half of SV price. If its more comfortable - idk, i never had a problem with vertical. Got small wirst and its more comfortable for me than Suunto 9 Peak Pro. I dont regret Suunto Vertical. Its much better than Peak 9 Pro that was good but I never felt "its it, iam happy).
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@dreamer_ Sapphire is so not just marketing. I have FR965 with gorilla it already has scratches without major bumps just some door here and there. The Vertical I use in trails has seen some muds, sand and what not and has not a single scratch.
Take a gorilla glass at the beach with all the sand and you’ll see how it gets
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7 year old gorilla:
0 scratches in the screen. And that watch has been used for Ironmans, ultras, lot of trail running… It is true that gorilla glass is more scratchable but what we are not said is that sapphire is more breakable and that can be a real issue:
“Sapphire resists scratches more than Gorilla Glass but sapphire shatters easier than GG, which can withstand a sudden impact 2.5 times more.”
And about visibility, here is an example of what I mean: https://youtu.be/eebxpZMOEX0?si=Ji9hw4ZFqtxfCQ7I
That’s my personal opinion, of course. Based on my experience I prefer the cheaper gorilla glass without any doubt. But that could be different as another one. Our use of the watch is not the same but for me the GG is the prefered option
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@dreamer_
do you have a protective glass on it?SVTS - 2.37.48
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@sartoric nope. Btw. It’s a while that’s my wife’s watch now lol
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@EzioAuditore yes. It is more scratch resistant. I know that and I was already posting that . But despite being considered the “premium” option, it’s also known easier to break (not to scratch) and has worse visibility for everyday use (as you can see in that video). Many people will prefer the sapphire and that’s fine, of course. For me, after many years with GG, I don’t have any kind of problem with the GG (and I prefer It for the mentioned reasons)
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@dreamer_ yes of course it can break more easy than a ‘plastic’ since it’s more hard and the pressure that you apply to a single point (never gonna happen in real life) is much higher than the same applied to a tempered due to the elasticity. The diameter of the sapphire in watches is not very big so shattering it is almost an impossible task.
I really love the visibility of the glass but under sun or light if you tilt it a bit you will see all the scratches.
Now the sapphire is reflective due to the coating but never gets scratched.
I have first hand experience for the toughness having just bought the newly released 9 Baro (black). Slipped on a wet floor and just put my hand to stop my head from hitting the wall. Cement fell I was 100% positive the watch is gone and the glass too. I could not inspect it good after the hit since I still had cement and white on the glass but could see the terrible dents in the bezel. Washed it good and couldn’t believe that the glass had not a single scratch on it.
I had Galaxy watch 3 and hit it on the corner of a desk (it was destroyed). So yes I’ll always choose sapphire even if it means less visibility -
@sartoric said in Race S vs Vertical:
@dreamer_
do you have a protective glass on it?I had protective glass on my Suunto Vertical (two different) but usulally it took 3-5 days to make and visible scratch. I throw them away after some opinions and dont use since end of 2023 to this day. Screen free of any scratch. Titanum bezel had many scratches but i polished + used sodium carbonate to make it daker again (thanks for someone from this forum!)
@EzioAuditore said in Race S vs Vertical:
@dreamer_ https://techtheday.com/sapphire-glass-vs-cornings-gorilla-glass-whats-real-score/
From my LIMITED knowledge, I know Sapphire is more scratch-free, but its easier to break than other materials. Here in this test is shown how it is about weight-strenght. I trust sapphire, becouse in my SV i hit screen so many times outdoor and especiallyin work november 2023 and its clean like brand new. If someone use it only for hiking/bike/run I think its impossible to do any damage.
I don’t find MIP + Sapphire so bad visibility. Maybe becouse I never had amoled + Gorilla Suunto. Its probably a lot better, but Vertical have so goood MIP quality screen. I saw Race + Sapphire vs Race S + Gorilla and its noticeable difference. But worth to trade saphire vs gorilla - I dont think so.
Sorry we’ve gonne a little bit offtop.
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@Tami999 indeed
But if you read the article I sent above you’ll see it’s not really like Corning is presenting that it shutters easily. It’s actually quite durable and tough in all the tests not only scratch. I mean it’s the next thing to a diamond so… -
@Tami999 totally agree. The MIP of the Vertical is very very good. I have compared this display with the F7 and I returned the F7.
I’m super happy with the Vertical but I’ll probably buy an additional Race S and have both.@EzioAuditore what I mean is that GG is not that bad as people says. It is more scratchable but you are not going to scratch the watch so easily. It can happen but have a look at that 7 years old GG I have.
I mean, we can see lots of reviews about the good things of sapphire but GG has it’s advantages that nobody talks about. If you read the last paragraph of the writer of your article, he is also pointing in the direction that personally I consider better. In any case everything is said about this.
It has been an interesting discussion
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@Tieutieu said in Race S vs Vertical:
The race S in pretty but it’s not the watch that will make me change my SV !
For many reasons (battery life, titanium and sapphire, size, mips…)
But improvements and tech inside this small watch makes the future very promising !Well I guess I wanted to taste amoled…I finally couldn’t resist and ordered the Race S…
Also because I send my SV for repairing on monday and absolutely need a strong spare watch during repair time.
I find the race s nicer than race. It will very certainly be a good companion for my SV, but will not replace it.
It should had arrived today but delivery was rescheduled because of Olympic flame…grrr will have to wait on Monday…not « crossed test » until sv will come back from repairing (I wanted to compare ohr on SRs vs chest strap on SV). -
@dreamer_ said in Race S vs Vertical:
7 year old gorilla:
0 scratches in the screen. And that watch has been used for Ironmans, ultras, lot of trail running… It is true that gorilla glass is more scratchable but what we are not said is that sapphire is more breakable and that can be a real issue:
“Sapphire resists scratches more than Gorilla Glass but sapphire shatters easier than GG, which can withstand a sudden impact 2.5 times more.”
And about visibility, here is an example of what I mean: https://youtu.be/eebxpZMOEX0?si=Ji9hw4ZFqtxfCQ7I
That’s my personal opinion, of course. Based on my experience I prefer the cheaper gorilla glass without any doubt. But that could be different as another one. Our use of the watch is not the same but for me the GG is the prefered option
Totally agree with you regarding the legibility comment. I have a 9PP (Sapphire), a Polar Vantage V2 (Gorilla) and a Garmin Forerunner 955 (Gorilla) and the last one is far and away the easiest to read whilst running. The 9PP is too reflective, whereas the Garmin seems to be almost ‘see through.’ The Polar is (annoyingly) not bright enough!
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Vertical its like a WRC with pikes peak engine
Race s its like a hybrid formula e
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Just received my Race S while my SV was living for support (for solar panel issue).
What I can say :
- size is awesome…because screen resolution makes it very readable
- small weight and design => fits wrist perfectly.
- not very fan of the crown but I new that before buying (but it works well)
- first amoled watch : sharp display and bright. Brightness to minimum is good for me.
- for the rest : no surprise at all, it’s the “same” watch than my SV
- I’ll check the daily use consumption, but for sure I’ll miss SV autonomy
- even if screen is very readable, size matters and my preference goes to SV screen size
- for the price, wow…that’s a 10 !!
To follow : exercice, and OHR test
For now, it’s a caprice/pleasure purchase, but it will for sure perfectly do the job during the repairing time of my SV, and for local small races.
Suunto’s devices at home :
Vertical titanium solar
Suunto Race S
S9pp titanium sand
Suunto Wing
S9B titanium Ambassador edition, A3P, X6 -
@Tieutieu for those who are used to big watches (I also have the SV), can you try the watch on workout and post about readibility? I know the display is very good but I’m more near of 50 than 30 years old and It would nice to know a bit more about
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@dreamer_ That will be my test, tomorrow probably. I have configured my personnal sports modes exactly like they are on my SV.
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My wife’s Race S just arrived… We’ll see if she gets used to the UI to replace the Fenix 6S she uses now.
By the way, I found an incredible price (€279). I think it was a store error because it is no longer available.
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@Luis-Andés-Olmedo said in Race S vs Vertical:
By the way, I found an incredible price (€279)
what a bargain!
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@Tieutieu said in Race S vs Vertical:
Just received my Race S while my SV was living for support (for solar panel issue).
What I can say :
- size is awesome…because screen resolution makes it very readable
- small weight and design => fits wrist perfectly.
- not very fan of the crown but I new that before buying (but it works well)
- first amoled watch : sharp display and bright. Brightness to minimum is good for me.
- for the rest : no surprise at all, it’s the “same” watch than my SV
- I’ll check the daily use consumption, but for sure I’ll miss SV autonomy
- even if screen is very readable, size matters and my preference goes to SV screen size
- for the price, wow…that’s a 10 !!
To follow : exercice, and OHR test
For now, it’s a caprice/pleasure purchase, but it will for sure perfectly do the job during the repairing time of my SV, and for local small races.
Small update :
- perfect sleep tracking (tracking of sleep phases is cool)
- normal daily use consumption around 8% for 20hours (knowing I’ve played with it), with backlight to minimum and “always on display” OFF. No notifications. Not that bad
- perfect GPS accuracy, as expected, and very fast to keep GPS signal
- against all I had read, I find that screen is very readable on bright sun, even with my “low” back light setting. Absolutely no problem vs my SV readability
- turn to raise and “auto-off” display on exercice is very fast in both way
- on a bike ride the OHR seems far better. Let’s confirm that later
- I miss the custom battery modes, not available (yet ?) on race and race s => impossible to navigate through screens with the touchscreen during activities.
I am very impressed !
Suunto’s devices at home :
Vertical titanium solar
Suunto Race S
S9pp titanium sand
Suunto Wing
S9B titanium Ambassador edition, A3P, X6
