Syncing Wahoo bike rides to the race s?

[0b_en]

Hi all,

considering getting the race s, as ist seems to be a great watch - and I like the app.

I‘m more of a rider than a runner (read: I don’t run at all), but want the watch to track sleep and HRV to inform my cycling training. I also want to see all the good metrics like TSS for all of my training.

While riding, I‘m using a Wahoo ELEMNT bolt - and I dislike to wear a watch. With the exception of commuting, this is done without the Wahoo but exclusively with a watch

Now to the question: Is it possible to automatically sync rides recorded with the Wahoo to the Suunto app as well as the race s? So that I can see all data - be it recorded with or without the watch - in the app as well as the watch?

I understand that this is not possible to do only with Suunto, and I‘d need another app/subscription to do the syncing. Natively it only seems to be possible with the Karoo cycling computer.

And no, I won’t buy a Karoo, I‘ll not start wearing a watch for every ride and record my sessions twice, and I‘m not keen on syncing every ride manually.

Thanks for any info!

[The_77]

@0b_en yes to the app, no to the watch - although the watch syncs your fitness stats across like weekly training stress score, cumulative training load and so on, just not the activity itself, if that helps? So even if the activity isn’t clickable on the watch the effects of it are visible, and you can analyse it in the app.

Although from memory (someone else chime in please), external fit files have default zones set up, as opposed to specific zones if you have customised them - so that can affect all the metrics. Again, might be wrong.

[0b_en]

Thanks @The_77!

So if I get it right, activities recorded without watch can be synced to the app - how I still have to figure out as I assume this can‘t be done natively - but not to the watch?

So the app itself is not in sync with the watch concerning activities? Doesn’t make too much sense to me as a user, as I thought that would be the main reason to have a sports watch - to not only record activity, but see all things you‘ve done on your wrist instead of a phone. Plus, the sync does not seem a hard thing to do, of TSS and stuff does sync.

Might be wrong though, and looking at past activities is nothing you would do on a watch.

Still, might be a reason for me not to buy in into Suunto‘s ecosystem, if it doesn’t fully allow to import things you do outside of it.

[The_77]

@0b_en I’ll be honest, I’ve never looked at past activities on a watch except directly after doing an activity if I don’t have my phone on me - it seems pointlessly small compared to how much easier it is on the phone. Personal thought mind.

Importing wise depends on what OS version you run - Android would be something like SyncMyTracks, iOS is Rungap or you can push activities across in Runanalzye, but only one at a time.

[larrybbaker]

Agreed. Can get activities to the app but not the watch. I also do not look at data on the watch once the current activity is recorded and saved. Also keep in mind that the watch memory is limited and over time activities will drop off to make room for new ones. I use iOS and RunGap and can pull/push activities from/to many sources.

[0b_en]

Okay, get it - not syncing to the watch seems to be no problem. Think I agree. As long as all other stats are okay.

Concerning RunGap: Does it sync in the background, or do you have to do something?

[wmichi]

@0b_en The last time I used Rungap the imported activities in Suunto App had the default HR zones, not the zones I setup in the watch. I guess this is also the case for pace and power zones. I am not sure if this has changed in the last few months. Wrong zones means wrong training load.

[0b_en]

@wmichi That sounds bad! As load and TSS are one of the main reason for me to get the watch, combined with HRV and HR …

[0b_en]

So this means basically that the Race is kind of useless if one of the sports you’re doing is cycling and you’re using any other head unit than the Karoo …

This seems to be quite a common use case tbh. I never saw any other cyclist using just a watch instead of a head unit for training. And I assume Karoo‘s market share is relatively small compared to Wahoo or even Garmin. Although, Garmin users would want to use a Garmin watch probably. This leaves just us Wahoo users uncovered - missed chance for Suunto, as Wahoo announced they will discontinue their Rival watch.

Bummer. The Race seemed to be such a nice watch.

[jcolp]

@0b_en I can say that Runalyze uploads the activity as-is from Wahoo into the Suunto ecosystem. This means that it uses the TSS the Wahoo produced for everything. Works perfectly fine.

[wmichi]

@0b_en If you know the TSS value, you could edit it manually after importing.

[wmichi]

@jcolp What about the zones? Are they also correct for the imported activity? And are the activities tagged correctly by Suunto Coach?

[jcolp]

@wmichi It seems like they’re tagged correctly by Suunto Coach. HR zones on the activity I don’t pay attention to. I just live in a power world for that based on TSS. I think Karoo honestly works the same way when it comes to uploading.

[0b_en]

@jcolp So seems that I have to try runalyze. Took a quick look at it, seems quite complex when it comes to configuration

Does it sync automatically?

Updating TSS manually for each ride would be too cumbersome - and the Suunto app even doesn‘t let me do that.

I‘ve synced rides with RunGap, and the Suunto app shows either TSS(hr) or TSS(MET) - although power data for every ride is available. How comes that?

And how can I even set the power zones? That only works via the watch, right?

[zucchero]

@0b_en: I had the the same issue and ended up with syncing single FIT files. Therefore go to ‘Activitiy-Synchronisation’ and then click on the icon ‘Upload a FIT file to Suunto’. You need to be connected to Suunto.
https://board.runalyze.com/d/168-sync-fit-file-from-runalyze-to-suunto-app

[Mads Hintz-Madsen]

@0b_en IMHO, the easiest solution is simply to record your ride with the Suunto watch in addition to recording with your Wahoo Elemnt.

This is what I do. One additional benefit is that you have a backup recording if either the Suunto recording or Elemnt recording fails. My Elemnt actually ran out of battery on yesterday’s ride but then had the Suunto recording/fit file as backup for other platforms.

[Audaxjoe]

@Mads-Hintz-Madsen That exactly what I do. Pretty simple solution.
I upload both to Strava as automatically private. Then delete one.

But I only use the wahoo on longer rides when I want navigation and also rotation notifications every 5k. Most rides I only use the Vertical.

And a big advantage of using the Vertical is you can add waypoints sob can mark stops, controls cafés etc.

[larrybbaker]

@0b_en you can set auto import or keep it manual into rungap - I am not sure
if you can auto push them to the other services

[tomtom73]

I’m new with the race S coming from an ambit 3 peak and I’m wondering the same thing but I’m on android so no rungap. What would be the best way to sync it to suunto app ? Especially interested to have the load from cycling showing up

[seanvk]

Since Wahoo is no longer really supporting their watch, it might help to submit a request to Wahoo, either through their forums or support, for Suunto synchronization.