Navigation and Climb guidance

Dušan Ković

Today I went for a bike ride, first one with new FW. I have loaded route, enabled Climb guidance and started exercise. After 6-8km, I went on a bit different road than on planned navigation, I had maybe 500m of path off route. SR showed off route notification, but after few mins I was back on the original route and I got back on route notification.

After a bigger climb, I’ve noticed that I did not get notification for Climb. Went to the altitude profile screen and I had OFF ROUTE at the bottom of the screen, even though I was on route. Both map and altitude screen showed where I am on the route. I did not get any Climb notification through entire ride. Not sure if this is a bug, but it did not worked properly. Any ideas?

isazi

@Dušan-Ković it is a bug and it is known as far as I know, some issues with recovering from off route

Dušan Ković

@isazi I hope we get “soonish” bug fix update

isazi

@Dušan-Ković I hope so too, climb guidance is already quite good but can improve further, and should get back to route

In my testing it would get back in route after hitting a new climb segment. Meaning, the first one that I got into when getting back to route was not working, the one after was working and from there all was working until the end. Do not know how your route looked though.

Dušan Ković

@isazi I will try it out more in the coming days, hope it works better

Brad_Olwin

@Dušan-Ković I have tested this by going off route and not completing a route. The guidance has recovered in all cases for me. However, my testing was on foot and not on a bike.

Dušan Ković

@Brad_Olwin I will try it out on more rides to figure out if it is buggy.

I was just reading information on the Suunto webpage and saw this:

is the elevation profile supposed to have color coded climbs and downhills? (left picture)
On my ride today I only had constant blue color, I didn’t have climbs, my route in the app had climbs

Brad_Olwin

@Dušan-Ković Wow! I would love to see that, hopefully it is coming but mine is just blue as well.

Dušan Ković

@Brad_Olwin

https://www.suunto.com/en-si/sports/News-Articles-container-page/suuntos-climb-guidance-prepares-you-for-the-terrain-ahead/

Here is the link

Ecki D.

Could anyone tell me where the ascent data comes from? I assume it’s just GPX data that depends on the app used for planning.

I usually plan my routes with Komoot, and I contacted them a while ago about completely wrong elevation data along the Aegean seashore.

They told me they bought this data from NASA years ago, and it’s incorrect. They mentioned it’s difficult to resolve.

Yesterday, I rode in my local area, and the climb guidance showed -1% while I was actually going up about +7%.

I checked back in Komoot, and the ascent simply isn’t mapped. I couldn’t see it on the bike as it was too short, but I believe there were red lines indicating uphill while the GPX data showed downhill.

I suspect data from the barometer sensor / GPS is used to verify if I’m still on track.

Is there any trick to make the Suunto app recalculate the route? It seems the ascent data is much better than Komoot’s. I tried editing an imported route, but the elevation doesn’t change unless you completely replan the route.

Dušan Ković

@Ecki-D Usually companies buy elevation data from different sources. It really depends how old elevation data is and what is resolution of the data set. Suunto had really bad elevation data until recently, it had almost double ascent on some areas. Not sure who provided new data to the suunto, but it is much better than before.

I had similar question few days ago - How to update old routes to the new data model without editing them manually. It would be great for suunto to update all our existing and new routs as they are made. Or add button - update elevation or something similar. Maybe this topic would require a new thread, as suunto climb guidance is dependant on the elevation data. It would be great to update everything somehow

uranfl

@Dušan-Ković
Updated climb picture
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Dušan Ković

@uranfl I hope we get colored ones at one point

I had a bike ride today and finally Climb guidance worked. Few observations:

climbs don’t match real world terrain. At multiple occasions I got downhill section before the climb finished. Sections end or start early or late than in reality.
grade percentage on the climbs also doesn’t match real world. At one point I saw 17% grade climb on the sign and watch was showing 12%
I planned same route twice and the app showed different climbs.

Tieutieu

@Dušan-Ković said in Navigation and Climb guidance:

climbs don’t match real world terrain. At multiple occasions I got downhill section before the climb finished. Sections end or start early or late than in reality.

I reviewed that after my first test : it seems to be the « normal » behavior…

https://forum.suunto.com/post/147449

Dušan Ković

@Tieutieu That also happens, but I got downhill section 2/3 up the real climb. Not few meters before the end

isazi

@Dušan-Ković as far as I know, this should be fixed with a new firmware release, maybe soon

Dušan Ković

I just had a bike ride on which I could take a better look on Climb Guidance. It was terrible. it just doesn’t work correctly. On some climbs it breaks single uphill part into part uphill and part flat, but in real world it was all uphill. It just doesn’t translate terrain from real-world to Climb Guidance. I am guessing that big part in this is elevation data available. But still, Suunto should get proper height data. This is just not reliable.

vinc14

Hello
this Climb guidance will it also work for Hiking and it is possible to define by my self what is cat 1 to 4?
have a nice day
vinc

Tieutieu

@vinc14 as long as you navigate along a route it will work for hiking, cycling, running….
You have no access to any settings except climb guidance alerts on/off

sorinus

Something is not working properly with the way climbs/uphils/descents/downhils sections are calcualted. Last weekend I raced Istria 69K using my Vertical with the last SW. Climb gudiance showed me only 1 climb/uphill section and only 1 short descent/downhill. Completely out of reality and useless. My friend’s Garmin had many more sections and in line with reality.

Is there any setting about climb guidance sensitivity? I couldn’t find any.

If anyone wants to check here is the GPX track I used https://istria.utmb.world/races/69K (my only update to the track was adding 4 waypoints).