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    Spartan Sport WHR Baro always reading HR too high at first few km while running

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    • Brad_OlwinB Offline
      Brad_Olwin Moderator @Guest
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      @NickK Can you post a link to this? My S9 is doing rather well for GPS.

      Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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        @Brad_Olwin Not sure I can make just a few moves public, but here’s the tracks from Suunto 9 and Spartan Baro over the same segment of the run (and while we are at it, why not throw in V800 as a reference?):

        0_1536348280333_Suunto9.PNG 0_1536348291486_SpartanBaro.PNG0_1536348897798_V800.PNG

        Notice how Suunto 9 completely misses the turns and has me running through the middle of the boulevard in a wondering drunk type of fashion… I mean I do drink every now and then but I never work out while intoxicated. And I certainly don’t remember myself drunk enough to produce a track like that. Maybe I’m missing something in my life. Thank you, Suunto!

        I’m not passing any judgments from a single run, yet – will run again on this route tomorrow and will do a trail on Sunday, but I’m somewhat concerned.

        UPDATE: In the spirit of full disclosure: I did a second run today and now see a substantial improvement. I think it beats Baro’s tracks and most definitely the initial run:

        0_1536454286311_Suunto9_Run2.png

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        • jthomiJ Offline
          jthomi @sartoric
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          Well, right now it happens almost every time, before starting the exercise when the GPS arrow and heart rate is on top of the watch screen HR says 80-90 for example, and then pushing the middle button to start the recording, HR says 130-150. When stopping the exercise immediately and starting everything is fine. A little annoying to be honest.
          Maybe I have to flash the firmware to avoid that, but right now this workaround is just fine.

          @sartoric said in Spartan Sport WHR Baro always reading HR too high at first few km while running:

          @jthomi
          But that looks like an issue in “transposing” what is measured into numbers … or heart at full throttle 😁

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            someguythatruns Bronze Member
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            I have the same issue with my SSS WHR Baro watch. Most runs it doesn’t click in until about 1 mile in, no matter how much I leave it to link up to my HR (always have the solid HR symbol before setting off) or how much I warm up. Also has spikes during my run as well where it’ll jump to 200+, which makes the HR monitor completly ineffective for me. I’m finding myself not trusting it at all, which is a real shame.

            Used plenty of other wrist based HR watches before, from TomTom, Fitbit and Garmin (which was the Fenix 3, so no issues around watch size either, this one is smaller!), plus used a chest belt previously, I know what my HR should be like. And the watch is on my wrist correctly, no light bleeding in, away from my wrist bone and I’ve tried everything mentioned here to get it to work right, it just won’t.

            I’m getting close to sending it back as it’s not doing what it should do. I really do love the watch apart from this, which is a big disappointment. I can live with the Strava not syncing thing, using the SA app and manually uploading runs via a PC, but this on top of it as well is just one too many.

            Does anyone know if Suunto could be fixing this at some point? It would be a real shame to send the watch back after 1 month.

            If anyone would like to see and can suggest anything, MC is here - http://www.movescount.com/members/member2390628-Someguythatruns

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            • andrejfitA Offline
              andrejfit Bronze Member
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              OHR definetely needs some fix.
              Im facing low HR values during the day and sometimes sensor freez which is not good.

              My gear:
              Suunto 9 Peak All Black, A3P, Suunto Core
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              • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                Brad_Olwin Moderator
                last edited by

                I think all need to know that oHR is very personal in terms of performance. I have seen @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos in person with great oHR and me not so good. There are improvements coming but this is not an easy thing to do. Mine works great for walking and gym exercises like stretching. Running flats or uphill works well but not downhill. I also have the few minutes of way too high HR. This is helped if you select the sport start screen so HR is engaged but do not start. I did this while driving to my last run and did not get the high HR at the start.

                But remember that different individuals will have different experiences.

                Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                • sartoricS Offline
                  sartoric Moderator
                  last edited by sartoric

                  This is a nice reading about this topic

                  https://valencell.com/blog/2015/10/optical-heart-rate-monitoring-what-you-need-to-know/

                  The chapter “What are the primary challenges with OHRM wearables?” points out the problems

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                    A Former User @Brad_Olwin
                    last edited by

                    @Brad_Olwin Interesting life hack. Will try tomorrow… What about GPS and foot pod?

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                    • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                      Brad_Olwin Moderator @Guest
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                      @NickK said in Spartan Sport WHR Baro always reading HR too high at first few km while running:

                      @Brad_Olwin Interesting life hack. Will try tomorrow… What about GPS and foot pod?

                      I live/work at 5500 feet ~1600m in the Southwest (Boulder, CO) where there are few significant impediments to GPS so I rarely have GPS issues. I start my runs as soon as GPS locks on (usually a few seconds). Footpod, when I use one is Stryd and it is uncalibrated so the pace/distance/cadence all come from Stryd and not GPS. I typically use this only for intervals or when doing long races (Endurance mode) and I want better pace information.

                      Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                      • sartoricS Offline
                        sartoric Moderator
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                        Today, for the first time, I had this problem.
                        I started walking (fast but not so fast 🙂 ) and after a while I noticed HR going up with no reason. Once touched the gauge max I stopped and paused the activity (checking if I was dying by heart attack 😁 ) put some air between the watch and the arm, then resumed … and started running, with HR back to normal.

                        I don’t know if it has some relation with this or not, but once I paused the activity I’ve heard strange noises (like connection issue) in my BT earphones

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                          vietpq Bronze Member
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                          I think the problem comes from GPS antenna, because when I start a indoor running, the problem does not happen

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                          • auxinaA Offline
                            auxina
                            last edited by

                            Any solution for this?
                            I always have an extreme peak at the beginning

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                              vietpq Bronze Member @auxina
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                              @auxina said in Spartan Sport WHR Baro always reading HR too high at first few km while running:

                              Any solution for this?
                              I always have an extreme peak at the beginning

                              My watch is working great. Everything I do just try to wear more tightly than usual and wait few minutes before hit start button

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                                Droro @vietpq
                                last edited by Droro

                                @vietpq same for me… Constantly have a spike to 200bpm on spartan trainer for first 10 minutes, even if I run 6min/km. After that settles down. Annoying, I think it’s fixable by firmware, but hard to know. On the upside, it makes me warm up more, like others here.

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                                • jsr184J Offline
                                  jsr184 Bronze Member
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                                  My WHR is just rubbish. During cycling or running, it stays for very long near my resting HR, then after maybe 15-20 minutes it shoots up but it’s far from anything accurate. During simple walking, it has sudden spikes. Comparing to the chest strap is not just a bit off, it’s totally wrong. It happened a few times I forgot my chest strap and had to rely on WRH ( SSWHR Baro ) and HR reading was just useless. I used to moan a lot about Fitbit Ionic device thinking that it cannot get any worse. I replaced it to SSWHR Baro to find out that indeed, it can 😞

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                                    jw cou Silver Members @jsr184
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                                    @Adam-Bialogonski Did you try this : https://forum.suunto.com/topic/2120/suunto-9-ohr-readings

                                    It improved a lot the OHR reading for me (that and wearing the watch 2-3cms from my wrist)

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                                    • jsr184J Offline
                                      jsr184 Bronze Member @jw cou
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                                      @jean-william-cousin yes I did. One of the first thing I tried. I also made sure the watch is kept stable in that position using a sweatband before it so it would prevent sliding it down the wrist. Still nothing improved.

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                                        Droro @jsr184
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                                        @Adam-Bialogonski the solution is to warm up for 2 km, end run, then start a new run. (until, and big if, suunto fixes this…)

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                                        • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                                          related and I would love to hear if that helped

                                          https://forum.suunto.com/topic/2120/suunto-9-ohr-readings/19

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                                            vietpq Bronze Member @jsr184
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                                            @Adam-Bialogonski you should try to wear more tightly, it will help

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