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    Zdeněk Hruška Bronze Member @borgelkranz
    last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 10:02

    @borgelkranz Hi, percentages exist just to somehow artificially set the zones in the case you don’t have your threshold values. It can give you estimation based on statistical data from the general population. But for the most people it will be probably off.
    If you can always work with the threshold values because those are the only values where there are physiological changes in the body taking place. Thresholds change based on a type of your training so everyone can be on a different percentages.

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      Raphes67 Bronze Member
      last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 10:04

      My first run with this new function didn’t deliver the results I was expecting, but I’m going to test it out again on my next runs.
      On the other hand, I think Suunto should simplify the data display, which can be confusing.
      Before doing the “Anaerobic threshold” test, I had an estimated lactate threshold of 153 in the watch’s CTL view. This seems low to me (max at 184). After doing the test, my threshold is 177. Big difference and a significant impact on the zones. I hope Zonesense will help me see things more clearly, otherwise I think I’ll just go for Karvonen’s zones.

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        Zdeněk Hruška Bronze Member @borgelkranz
        last edited by Zdeněk Hruška 20 Sept 2024, 10:06

        @borgelkranz And also how often to change your zones: Don’t stress too much about it. Zones can change on daily basis based on how you slept, how you trained, how stressed you are,… It’s good to check and adjust it from time to time in case there is some huge progress or decline in your training. But otherwise it’s good to know roughly where you are. The body doesn’t have the real thresholds but more like overlapping ranges of what is going on in the body. Don’t think too much about hitting the specific number as it doesn’t matter that much.

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          Mauerwegler @nathant
          last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 10:23

          @nathant said in Suunto ZoneSense:

          I’m still not seeing ZoneSense in the Suunto phone app on any of my activities using a heart rate chest strap. I’m using version 2.38.0 (16480) on iOS (the latest beta version available through TestFlight). My heart rate monitor is a Wahoo TICKR. I’ve looked at activities recorded using my Spartan and others recorded with other devices and synced to the Suunto App.

          When I look at the Analysis chart in the activity card, I don’t have the option to select ZoneSense as a chart variable.

          With my configuration (Polar H10 to Spartan Ultra to SA 2.38.0), I can see the ZoneSense metric in past exercises. Could it be the Wahoo chest strap?

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            halajos Bronze Member @Zdeněk Hruška
            last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 10:28

            ZoneSense relies fully on R-R interval data, therefore very reliable R-R interval measurement is required for it to work properly. I’m also using Runalyze to look at my exercise data, which has a chart for R-R over time. It clearly shows when the data is good or bad. Even if the R-R data is bad, our watches and SA show reasonable HR values, but it doesn’t mean the data is suitable for ZoneSense. Anyone experiencing discrepancies between the “correct” intensity based on lab test or feeling and what ZoneSense shows, might need to look at the raw R-R data first. May be that the HR belt is a candidate for replacement.

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              borgelkranz Bronze Member @Danny poleg
              last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 10:39

              @Danny-poleg when exploring an activity, I can select ZoneSense from the list of metrics to display in the graphs. Then I can click the blue info button under the graphs and the measurement is displayed next to the zone info.

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                borgelkranz Bronze Member @Zdeněk Hruška
                last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 10:44

                @Zdeněk-Hruška I hear you 🙂 In the end I resort to to feeling to figure out whether I am stressed. And I know that metrics do not necessarily match what I feel. In both directions actually… I mostly do sport for recreational purpose. So TSS is a good way to safe me from myself and not so much finding the perfect load.

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                  Danny poleg Silver Members @borgelkranz
                  last edited by Danny poleg 20 Sept 2024, 10:45

                  @borgelkranz
                  Thank you very much
                  I just checked the only workout I performed with ZONESENS, the data corresponds to the heart rate ranges that the cardiologist determined for me in the stress test I performed - I entered these heart rate ranges in the watch
                  I will check tomorrow after a long run if there is a change

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                    GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Raphes67
                    last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 10:56

                    @Raphes67 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                    My first run with this new function didn’t deliver the results I was expecting, but I’m going to test it out again on my next runs.
                    On the other hand, I think Suunto should simplify the data display, which can be confusing.
                    Before doing the “Anaerobic threshold” test, I had an estimated lactate threshold of 153 in the watch’s CTL view. This seems low to me (max at 184). After doing the test, my threshold is 177. Big difference and a significant impact on the zones. I hope Zonesense will help me see things more clearly, otherwise I think I’ll just go for Karvonen’s zones.

                    Hey i dont have Treshhold values in the CTL widget. Never ever, No day until i got my watch…

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                      Swaddy61 Silver Members
                      last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 11:10

                      Well, I stil can’t find ZoneSense in my Android App (V4.100.4).

                      I know it only works on activities with a HR Belt, but my last few activities have been multisport (with a Suunto belt). Does it wotk with Multisport?

                      I have looked in several Multisport activities, and there is nothing in the App in the position seen above (i.e. just under Analysis in the Activity).

                      I have logged out, closed the App, Restarted, Logged back in, still nothing.

                      I have been back to what I think were single activities with a belt, but still no ZoneSense.

                      So what am I doing wrong / missing?

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                        Mattg576
                        last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 11:44

                        Anyone else’s Zonesense data not fit on the screen in the App ?

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                          SvenSchroeter @Mattg576
                          last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 11:50

                          @Mattg576 same here… it looks like it slipped to the right

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                            isazi Moderator @SvenSchroeter
                            last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 11:54

                            @SvenSchroeter @Mattg576 for the phone app, please discuss it in the proper section of the forum

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                              GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Mattg576
                              last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 12:24

                              @Mattg576 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                              Anyone else’s Zonesense data not fit on the screen in the App ?

                              iPhone12
                              IOS Version 17.7

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                              The First 10 minutes from workout there is collect the baseline. Cause there the graph is Starting later in the screen

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                                GiPFELKiND Silver Members @SvenSchroeter
                                last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 12:28

                                @SvenSchroeter said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                                @Mattg576 same here… it looks like it slipped to the right

                                The First 10 minutes from workout there is collect the baseline. Cause there the graph is Starting later in the screen

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                                  Raphes67 Bronze Member
                                  last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 14:08

                                  With this new feature, we have proof that data can be analyzed post activity, without wearing the watch to display information in the Suunto App (even for older models).
                                  Why not reproduce this principle for other metrics such as run/walk/stop time or calories burned or others ?

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                                    isazi Moderator @Raphes67
                                    last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 14:10

                                    @Raphes67 we always knew you can do almost everything post-activity in the app, but most people want features on the watch in real-time, not just after 🙂

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                                      Raphes67 Bronze Member @isazi
                                      last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 14:33

                                      @isazi Given the 2 Suunto Plus App limit, I was thinking that for a trail ride, for example, I’d want some live metrics (why not ZoneSense, hydration reminder, or whatever) but once the activity is over I could display the cumulative run/walk/stop post-activity.

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                                        Łukasz Szmigiel
                                        last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 16:44

                                        Does it work correctly for people with LBBB or left bundle branch block? And data on that?

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                                          isazi Moderator @Raphes67
                                          last edited by 20 Sept 2024, 17:04

                                          @Raphes67 to be honest, I think that the walk/run/stand information is more useful after (for statistical reason) than during an activity 🙂

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