Suunto ZoneSense

[Antoine]

@isazi said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@The_77 let me comment on this. The mapping between ZoneSense and thresholds in terms of HR is there mostly because people like their zones, and would fight over the number and meaning of them, even if science says that you basically have three cardio zones

So, ZoneSense is a way to get rid of zones, and have another metric to separate aerobic/anaerobic/VO2max efforts during a workout.

But, people want zones, so using ZoneSense it would also be possible to get aerobic/anaerobic zones to set your thresholds accordingly, especially if you do not use a chest strap at all times. But ZoneSense uses data that can change day by day, during the same day, affected by temperature, stress, food and drinks, and everything else.

So, no need to change your zones every single day because of what ZoneSense may say, better to still plan tests for aerobic and anaerobic thresholds, and see what ZoneSense tells you about these workouts, and set your zones.

And if one day you see that your HR is Z2 according to the zones you set, but ZoneSense on the S+ app tells you that you are in anaerobic or VO2max effort, maybe that day you are particularly tired and can lower your effort

Ok, so now, there is no need to define accurate HR zone. ZoneSense does not use HR zones defined in the watch that’s right ?

[The_77]

@Antoine I suppose for training load purposes it’s useful within the Suunto remit to semi-regularly check your anaerobic limit for TSS purposes, but evidently you can get this from ZoneSense.

[Egika]

@Antoine correct. HR zones are not a factor in the ZoneSense algorithm. You can adjust your HR zones based on the outcome of ZoneSense to use in activities without a HR belt.
Or in watches that don’t have the live data information.

[Antoine]

@Egika said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@Antoine Ambit 3 belt will do. It has RR measurement and is BT.

There is no RR (RR memory, it is quite new)

This is this one:

https://www.suunto.com/fr-fr/Produits/Ceintures-de-frequence-cardiaque/Suunto-Smart-Sensor/

[Egika]

@Antoine said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@Egika said in Suunto ZoneSense:

@Antoine Ambit 3 belt will do. It has RR measurement and is BT.

There is no RR (RR memory, it is quite new)

This is this one:

https://www.suunto.com/fr-fr/Produits/Ceintures-de-frequence-cardiaque/Suunto-Smart-Sensor/

Memory is not needed. Ambit’s HR belt definitely has RR data, as it was the first watch do calculate respiration rate from this data.

[taziden]

Feature request: get rid of the 5 circular segments around the screen, replace them with ZoneSense zones please

[Matija S]

This looks great! Didn’t try it on a watch yet, but post analysis for past workouts shows data. Used Polar chest strap.

[Brad_Olwin]

I can comment on this as well. During testing I “ran” 3 4300 m peaks one day after another for 3 consecutive days. By the third day I was fatigued and the Zone Sense aerobic HR had dropped significantly in the post analysis. This will be extremely helpful in real time when racing as it will allow you to change effort to avoid the ultra death march.
First image Mt Elbert was first peak and 2nd image was 3rd peak on 3rd day

[Sergei Ladeishchikov]

For what period of time does SuuntoSense calculate data? As far as I understand, if you enter SuuntoSense in SA activity, there will be zones calculated using HRV (not zones from the watch)? I compared these zones with the zones set in TP (and in the watch, respectively), and these zones are 100% similar.

[Egika]

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov your screenshot from SA shows only the zones set in the watch.
If ZoneSense comes to the conclusion that they are different, it will show this in a separate column.

[Sergei Ladeishchikov]

@Egika Thanks for the info! So SuuntoSense thinks my zones are relevant to the calculations? Does anyone have a screenshot of what it should look like?

[Egika]

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov
There is no “should”.
Just if ZoneSense has data that leads to adjusting the threshold it will look this this:

[Matúš]

@isazi said in Suunto ZoneSense:

So, ZoneSense is a way to get rid of zones, and have another metric to separate aerobic/anaerobic/VO2max efforts during a workout.

Maybe I do not get the exact point of ZoneSense, but if I go out running some reps, there is at least one activity screen that shows both time/distance field and HR data, i.e., the “old” HR zones.

I’ve just tried the ZoneSense app and, as expected, the “new” zones are shown as aerobic/anaerobic/VO2max but, even by changing the data fields through the upper button, neither time nor distance data are shown: so, how to workout some reps without the need of changing activity screen to check distance/time and zones?

[stromdiddily]

@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto ZoneSense:

I can comment on this as well. During testing I “ran” 3 4300 m peaks one day after another for 3 consecutive days. By the third day I was fatigued and the Zone Sense aerobic HR had dropped significantly in the post analysis. This will be extremely helpful in real time when racing as it will allow you to change effort to avoid the ultra death march.

I have one more peak long weekend before my 100 on the 5th. May just have to give this exact scenario a go

[Egika]

@Matúš
Not sure what your specific training looks like.
But different data screens can be pre-selected in the Suunto app:

[Matija S]

@Egika where do you find this in the app?

[Egika]

@Matija-S

[Mff73]

silly question (?) : S+ app is mandatory to give this zonesense insights ?
i might answer myself, but would need to be sure of the relations

My wife is using Suunto HR Belt with RR and not this new ZoneSense app --> i see this zone sense graphs for her recent activities.
I am using Polar VeritySense (without RR transmitted to Suunto i guess) --> i don’t see such zone sense graphs

RR belt mandatory, not S+app, right ?

[taziden]

@Mff73 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

RR belt mandatory, not S+app, right ?

Right

[wmichi]

I would have expected such a functionality from Polar, not from Suunto. Kudos for this!

I just did a 2:20h gravel ride at a low intensity level (base endurance). 80% in zone 1, 20% in lower zone 2 (the uphills). I was definitely not working hard, I was relaxed and not fatigued. But the S+ app showed me, that I was 1 hour anaerobic and 15min at vo2max. So I was curios what SA would display. According to SA, I was all the time in the aerobic zone. I am no expert, but according to the HR data, to my subjective feeling my recent training and my general feeling today, SA is correct.

I guess it’'s still early days for ZoneFuse and there might be some issues with the S+ app. What are the experiences of the testers? Does the S+ app align with the data displayed in SA after the workout? In my first test the data was completely different,

By the way, the UI of the S+ app is well made, good readability. I think this layout (or something similar) would also work great for structured workouts.

Any plans to combine ZoneFuse with structured workouts or with the intensity zone selection? Or using the ZoneFuse zones gauge instead of the HR gauge around the data screens (of course configurable, maybe even as an activity setting during workout)?