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A long time suunto user as well. A few points:
- The oHR is decent should you keep your wrist a bit steady. If the way is to wear thw watch a bit higher or to have a different strap, or by how you clench your fist… it’s up to you. I measured this multiple times and is like spot on. Otherwise it does fluctuate, but does it really matter? If it does, wear a chest strap , if it doesn’t , it doesn’t really matter .
- I cannot understand why would anyone care about sleep tracking through a consumer product… You do know that your body was created to give you those indicators right? One may argue that it is advertised it does make a difference… You are right, most sports’ watches do … but it’s time to get back to reality and understand, it’s almost as accurate as coffee fortune telling …
- do you like the watch? use it, you don’t like it and you can afford to replace, do so.
- Do you train for the number of metrics shown or for the training/fun/exercise/experience ? if it’s the latter, use your watches for what it was made for… if its the former… then there are better options that have hundreds of metrics with quite broad usage (not questionable value)
There are people who train as if they are in a hamster wheel , others who do it for fun, others who are professionals etc… I don’t train/exercise to make a living neither do I do it because someone (or a watch) tells me so . I do it because i Like it hence i quite enjoy my vertical
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I’ve been using or testing other brands than Suunto : Garmin, coros, polar
None of any model of any brand works fine on me while exercising.
I’m using HR strap if I want accuracy.
Some of my close friend have excellent accuracy with Suuntos, other with Garmins. Not me.
Its not a disappointment : it’s works fine for daily and sleep tracking, and I use hr strap because I want accuracy anyway while exercising and also zonesens. -
What is the point of accepting what is wrong generally 85% of the time when the data is used in calculated feedback? It’s an honest question, in the hope someone could give me some insight I didn’t consider… seriously, I’m hoping for a reason to keep using this thing!
maybe your sensor is defective, owning a Race for more than one year I can say that my HR readings are mostly correct when not doing sport activities. When at sleep also oxygen saturation looks good (while it’s always wrong when awake)
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@Adrian.S Just out of curiosity, do you think many Pros and Semi Pros use sleep tracking? From your post it sounds like it is important because without it you will not get some of the readings you were talking about. Suunto’s sleep tracking is a proper dumpster fire for many, me included. Garmin, Coros, Oura, Whoop, they all get 99% of my nights correct, but Suunto? A total guess every night what will happen.
Just curious if a lot of pro athletes use it.
Suunto Vertical, Race and Race S
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@cdfreet I too have issues with the sleep tracking. I think this is a common problem for many many Suunto users. It is frustrating. If they could get it to work, I would be in a dedicated marriage with Suunto, but it is such a dysfunctional relationship because of the on and off sleep tracking for zero reason what so ever. I have studied all the “tweets” that are supposed to make it work to no avail. It is a software problem, not a person problem.
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@Stavrogin Not on a one-off basis, but over a long period of time such data can be useful because it includes data on changed HRV in the time and overall recovery—I use it in the last 4 weeks before a race, for example, for 70-100 km, where the most strenuous training takes place, which is already at the limit with a risk of injury, and I like to know if my HRV is at the limit, overtrained, or normal, because you can surprise yourself with one too intense training session - it’s better to recover than to cross the line.
I also like to see how my statistics during the periodization phase are maxed out
That’s why I consider 24/h heart rate measurement as recovery time + nights, where the recovery is the most important (from the wrist) for me.OK - people used to run without watches and somehow they did
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@cosme.costa my first fillings about zonesense:
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As a remember, saying « it doesn’t work for many, based on the few people sharing bad experience, is not a clue.
Sleep tracking works perfectly fine on me, also on my wife, my friends using Suunto’s too…with SV, SRs, SR, S9pp. It’s very rare that it fails. Are my settings involved in accuracy ? I don’t know,maybe (usual sleep tracking set from 23h to 7h, auto DND also from 23h to 7h, no sp02 tracking, HRV tracking on, no notifications).
So, don’t forget that if does not work on you, even confirmed by some other users here, doesn’t mean it’s a general issue.Suunto’s devices at home :
Vertical titanium solar
Suunto Race S
S9pp titanium sand
Suunto Wing
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@Tieutieu it works for me as well: HRV and SPO2 tracking enabled, DND enabled and disabled manually, notifications enabled generally.
One night it didn’t track in the last months. Sometimes I get an odd nap added.The tracked sleep data isn’t better or worse than my Garmin has been. About the same…
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@2b2bff sleep tracking started working when I turned the watch to the inside of the wrist for the night. The results have been believable for weeks now. Still the results are nothing but curiosity for me. I mainly wear the watch nightly because of the wake up alarm, which is more subtle than my phone’s smog horn.
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@cosme.costa said in Enough:
@brechtvb From what I have been reading and from my own experience, OHR, since S9PP, has improved greatly. Issues with OHR readings is not only a problem about the sensor and is more with the technology, and all the brands have them.
like OP i had a cheapo garmin (FR45) and it never had a total HR sensor failure like suunto race s does for many, many people. just yesterday on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Suunto/comments/1kjn850/race_s_titanium_hr_drops/ - never mind general the general inaccuracy.
the suunto race and race s (and presumably the rest of the suunto line using the same sensors and software) specifically have bad OHR relative to other brands’ OHR. i think that should be clear if you see the amount of noise about this issue, relative to the userbase of the race.
OHR as a concept is flawed, but there is still good/bad OHR within that spectrum. suunto has bad OHR.
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@Tieutieu As someone who has had issues with Vertical, Race and Race S tracking sleep your comments are a bit off. I have seen comments for the life cycle of the watch saying that it does not work.
I can understand as someone who has zero issue with something chiming in and telling people it is not an issue, but until it is an issue this is a common response.
If it was not an issue, why would it be on almost every update in the recent past?
Telling people what is happening to them is not real is not helpful. Including friends family, and even the neighborhood canines do not help fix a problem.
I would be curious to know what percentage of watches not working for you would qualify something as a “general issue”. I know you are trying to be helpful, but telling folks that what they are experiencing is not real is not useful and can feel like shaming. -
@Tieutieu To be clear, I love your posts and look forward to what you have to contribute, but frustrations are frustrations. This is a great place for people to find the help that they need to make their awesome watches even better.
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@Stavrogin I completely understand your frustration, and also that my comment add maybe more to it. That’s why I shared my settings, if maybe it could also help. It’s unfortunate your sleep tracking isn’t working properly.
