Training Plan Implementation?

Manuel Extreme

@strain Could you try Milestone?

Use the code SUUNTO during registration.

https://milestone.sportacademy.zone

It’s still in BETA, so I’d be interested to see how it behaves with the Run 2.

strain

@Manuel-Extreme said:

@strain Could you try Milestone?

Use the code SUUNTO during registration.

https://milestone.sportacademy.zone

It’s still in BETA, so I’d be interested to see how it behaves with the Run 2.

Just signed up. Says my request is going to be reviewed. I don’t think any training plans will be able to be synced.

isazi

@strain said:
Just signed up. Says my request is going to be reviewed. I don’t think any training plans will be able to be synced.

They will not, as mentioned before this feature is not yet available for Run and Run 2.

Manuel Extreme

@isazi I’ve just checked the specifications: Suunto Run and Run 2 are not compatible with SuuntoPlus Guides

So structured workouts from Milestone can’t currently be sent to those watches…

digitalrunner

I am a returning Suunto user (20+ years ago I had a Spyder dive computer!) and have been in the Garmin eco-system for 10+ years.

I borrowed a friend’s Race 2 and decided to jump in and buy the Run 2 as I loved the UI but was flabbergasted to find the Race 2 that I just bought (running a newer OS) was unable to use my intervals.icu planned workouts (which the Race 2 was able to use).

I can also see the SuuntoPlus apps (eg. Race Surgeon) are not supported either.

I want to support Suunto and love the simplicity and clean design of the UI but the inconsistency of features between watch models is very annoying!

Egika

@digitalrunner what yould you propose how the models should differ, if not by material and features?

Gunnar

@digitalrunner why didn’t you buy the Race 2 the?

digitalrunner

@egika what I would propose is that a higher-priced, more fully featured watch (Race 2) would include all the features of a lower-priced watch such as the Run 2. So for example, I would ideally have all the running features (eg. EnergySense or ZoneSense) available on the ‘flagship’ watch.

I run, I cycle, I row (indoor on a concept2 erg and outdoor), I lift. At the moment I would need to buy the Race 2 for the SuuntoPlus apps like the connection to my erg or like Race Surgeon for running race timings but I would need the Run 2 if I wanted to use EnergySense or ZoneSense.

I know that this discrepancy is due to the Race 2 being on a ‘older’ OS so I would imagine this could be solved by upgrading all watches with capable hardware to the same OS to have at least some feature parity?

digitalrunner

@gunnar I borrowed the Race 2 from a friend to try out the Suunto UI (which I much prefer to Garmin). I then bought the Run 2 as my research showed that the Race 2 was on an older OS and wasn’t guaranteed to be updated. I will use the Run 2 for now and put up with not having the SuuntoPlus apps that seem really helpful (eg. Race Surgeon) and see what the Race 3 brings!

Egika

@digitalrunner Your expectations makes sense.
Actually I thought that all higher end models like Race 2 or Race S do have ZoneSense metric, don’t they?
EnergySense is rather new. It has not been available when Race 2 was introduced. It will come with a firmware update.

But in general, newer models (even if lower end) can have features that oder high end models did not have. Like todays A-class Benz has more features than 1990 S-class.

strain

@Egika I think mapping + materials should have been the differentiator. Now that they added mapping to the Run 2 it kind of muddies the water here. I prefer the lightweight nature of the Run series and have a Race 2 but don’t prefer the weight. I’ve been manually creating the workouts on the Suunto app but nowadays your road racing watch should definitely have such a common feature that your competitor watches have as well. Coros pace 4 has this ability and mid tier Garmin Forerunners. Hopefully Suunto implements it soon.

Egika

@digitalrunner said:

@gunnar I borrowed the Race 2 from a friend to try out the Suunto UI (which I much prefer to Garmin). I then bought the Run 2 as my research showed that the Race 2 was on an older OS and wasn’t guaranteed to be updated. I will use the Run 2 for now and put up with not having the SuuntoPlus apps that seem really helpful (eg. Race Surgeon) and see what the Race 3 brings!

Race 2 does not have an “older” OS. It is just different to the Run and Run 2 OS.

strain

@sky-runner I think perhaps it’s the “new” one that they are developing and hoping to launch to the rest of the lineup eventually. I do think it has a lot more “specific” features to it that the other OS doesn’t have. One example being able to set LTHR for your running zone among various others. This is just my guess

snow*

@Egika said:

It has not been available when Race S was introduced. It will come with a firmware update.

looks like really interesting things are going to show up on my SRS sooner or later

Gunnar

@snow now it is race 2 in his post mow. Likely corrected.

Nelson Diogo

@Egika I would suggest that such a basic feature for a watch towards Runners shouldn’t be the differentiator. Structured workouts are the bread and butter of road runners. Most will evolve to use structured workouts or at least try them out.

I recognize that at least the Suunto App is great at built them but it that’s the only option at least a calendar planning should be available at the app. Has it it is now it’s not a runner’s watch.

Maps it’s less important than workouts. You can plan routes on Komoot or on the suunto website but you can’t plan workouts? Doesn’t make sense. Coros is grabbing a big chunk of runners because of this.

Egika

@Gunnar said:

@snow now it is race 2 in his post mow. Likely corrected.

Right.
I noticed, that I was answering to a post that was about Race 2

strain

This is the response I got regarding training plan implementation:

2. Menu Lag & External Training Plan Integration

Menu Lag & Choppiness: We have formally logged your performance report regarding menu scrolling lag alongside the details from reviewer feedback. Our software development team is actively investigating UI optimizations for upcoming firmware updates.
External Training Plan Syncing: We recognize how vital third-party training plan syncing (such as TrainingPeaks, NÖRD, or other structured plan partners) is for road runners. While this functionality is currently limited on the Run line, our product management team is evaluating expanded API integration for structured workout syncing in future software releases.

sky-runner

@strain said:

We recognize how vital third-party training plan syncing (such as TrainingPeaks, NÖRD, or other structured plan partners) is for road runners.

It is not just for road runners. I am primarily a trail runner and follow a lot of other trail runners. There is a good number of people who are more serious into ultramarathon training and have a coach, and most of them use Training Peaks or a similar platform. I used a coach earlier this year and am likely to hire another one next year. Even though I train on my own now, I have a paid Training Peaks subscription. The reason for that is that workout planning and management in TP is far superior to Suunto, and I can do it on a laptop. Also, I think the TP workout Suunto+ guide is much better than the built-in interval UI that is too simplistic (like many things Suunto does). I used the built-in interval UI once and that experience was enough for me to make me buy the TP subscription.

strain

@sky-runner I agree training plans are used by virtually anyone with a goal in mind and are serious about accomplishing their goals.

Just makes it all the more frustrating we need to manually create them on the basic interval creator on the Suunto app or alternatively use the AI coach which frankly kind of sucks. For example, why is there a 10 week marathon plan? I don’t know any plan that has such a short span to train for a marathon seriously especially with a time goal in mind