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    Mff73 @kukubau
    last edited by 29 Jun 2020, 15:14

    @kukubau said in Feedback Export GPS File:

    @isazi said in Feedback Export GPS File:

    @kukubau you have your list of routes in the explore/routes tab.

    I have no such thing in the Suunto app on my iphone. Most likely this is available just for Android OS.

    Don’t you have something like that ?
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      Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
      last edited by Fenr1r 29 Jun 2020, 15:15

      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Feedback Export GPS File:

      Like GPX are now obsolete files only used by routing mostly

      I can see how FIT files are more appropriate (/essential) for runners and others who record biometrics in their exercises but Suunto continues to market to hikers and long-range trekkers for whom the GPX remains the common currency (along with KML/Z).

      A FIT file does not, as far as I know, contain multiple routes, tracks, POIs as a GPX can. The latter is a versatile format for recording AND planning (and sharing, deliberately minus biometrics) … and those aren’t obsolete requirements for hikers, or those who carry out long expeditions.

      Does SA import FIT files and extract routes therefrom?

      Until FIT files do all that GPX can, GPX will not be obsolete for many hikers and trekkers.

      Mind you, those hikers and trekkers might be obsolete to Suunto.

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        Egika Platinum Member @kukubau
        last edited by Egika 29 Jun 2020, 15:19

        @kukubau GPX export in iOS there.

        First tap here
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        Then here
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          kukubau @Mff73
          last edited by kukubau 29 Jun 2020, 15:19

          @Mff73 said in Feedback Export GPS File:

          @kukubau said in Feedback Export GPS File:

          @isazi said in Feedback Export GPS File:

          @kukubau you have your list of routes in the explore/routes tab.

          I have no such thing in the Suunto app on my iphone. Most likely this is available just for Android OS.

          Don’t you have something like that ?
          654e71e7-7030-4757-91a8-cf94cec9ac84-image.png

          No. Thanks.

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            sartoric Moderator @kukubau
            last edited by sartoric 29 Jun 2020, 15:22

            @kukubau
            which app version do you have ?

            @Mff73
            Which is the last ios one ?

            SVTS - 2.40.38
            SSSWHR BARO Amber - 2.8.32
            Samsung A5 2016 - Android 7.0
            Samsung A33 2022 - Android 14 - One UI 6.1
            Suunto App Android 5.3.5 beta
            Suunto App IOs 2.46.0 (19453) beta on MBP M1

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              kukubau @sartoric
              last edited by kukubau 29 Jun 2020, 15:24

              @sartoric

              1.40.0 (8191)

              iphone 7, ios 13.6

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                Egika Platinum Member @kukubau
                last edited by 29 Jun 2020, 15:25

                @kukubau posting frequency is high. did you see my screenshots? You have that too!

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                  Mff73 @Egika
                  last edited by 29 Jun 2020, 15:28

                  @Egika
                  i let you help 😉 you have the right screenshots (mine is a one found here on the forum 😉 @sartoric )

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                    kukubau @Egika
                    last edited by 29 Jun 2020, 15:29

                    @Egika

                    Thank you!

                    Hidden in the app’s bottoms. I wouldn’t have thought that was placed under the generic “location/gps” icon.

                    Unbelievable bad software design. Does this app come with a 50 page manual? (sorry for the rant)

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r
                      last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos 29 Jun 2020, 15:54

                      @Fenr1r said in Feedback Export GPS File:

                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Feedback Export GPS File:

                      Like GPX are now obsolete files only used by routing mostly

                      I can see how FIT files are more appropriate (/essential) for runners and others who record biometrics in their exercises but Suunto continues to market to hikers and long-range trekkers for whom the GPX remains the common currency (along with KML/Z).

                      A FIT file does not, as far as I know, contain multiple routes, tracks, POIs as a GPX can. The latter is a versatile format for recording AND planning (and sharing, deliberately minus biometrics) … and those aren’t obsolete requirements for hikers, or those who carry out long expeditions.

                      Does SA import FIT files and extract routes therefrom?

                      Until FIT files do all that GPX can, GPX will not be obsolete for many hikers and trekkers.

                      Mind you, those hikers and trekkers might be obsolete to Suunto.

                      You are right in most of the part and that is the point here:

                      You want a file for routing etc -> GPX
                      You want a file for biometrics etc -> FIT

                      The OP/Other people want a GPX file for biometrics and I am prompting them to use a FIT File unless the other service doesn’t support it. If the service the user wants to pass his biometric data doesn’t support FIT file format, then yes I agree he needs a GPX, but no-a-days there are a lot of FIT->TCX/GPX file formats.

                      To your question:

                      Does SA import FIT Files ?

                      It will soon for “activities/biometrics” and it supports GPX import for routes etc. Aligned with what I explained above that I think you agree in this “classification”

                      PS. FIT file supports courses (routes) etc. Not 100% sure for POIS.

                      In a side note the GPX format is an XML schema and in theory it could support whatever since i’ts an expandable parsing schema.
                      IT’s limitation it’s not the schema but the XML structure that is soooo old way of storing data and inefficient for big data for example. (XML is a “tree” based structure).
                      I could for example give you a GPX file that has all the biometric data. It just wont be compatible unless other parties implement my “extensions”

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                        Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                        last edited by Fenr1r 29 Jun 2020, 16:49

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

                        I think you may be second-guessing @kukubau’s desires incorrectly there. The posts suggest that all he/she wanted was a GPX file. One of the luddites like me who deliberately do not usually want a FIT file, simply an equally simple download/export of a GPX. NOT big data.

                        the XML structure that is soooo old way of storing data and inefficient for big data for example

                        Remember: if you want that GPX (simply the track you made [with associated timing] or a route you might follow), the FIT file is an inefficient vehicle. It is overlarge, needing to be converted in order to extract the only required data.

                        You know far more about the file structure, etc., but there’s a reason word processors and other editors can still export into ASCII text: its leanness is an advantage when you don’t want pictures and elaborate fonts. As for age: the wheel predates me by several years and it’s going strong despite alternatives.

                        For those other people who want their GPX with biometrics, you make an overwhelming case for FIT (as export). However, there are folks who know they want GPX for its route/track/POI versatility and commonality. Yeah, POIs: those decoupled little bastards.

                        So … will SA discontinue GPX imports if FIT can do the job? And users be obliged to convert GPXes created on other non-FIT platforms to FIT for import to SA for xfer to watch? Efficient?

                        TL;DR - EQUALLY SIMPLE EXPORT RIGHTS(=process) FOR GPX DINOSAURS NOW!
                        OR AT AN APPROPRIATELY DECENT TIME AFTER COVID-20!

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                          Mff73 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                          last edited by 29 Jun 2020, 18:00

                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Feedback Export GPS File:

                          Does SA import FIT Files ?

                          It will soon for “activities/biometrics” and it supports GPX import for routes etc. Aligned with what I explained above that I think you agree in this “classification”

                          👍 Suunto servers will warm. Will it includes Ascent/Descent import or calculation after import ?

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                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r
                            last edited by 29 Jun 2020, 18:21

                            @Fenr1r

                            So … will SA discontinue GPX imports if FIT can do the job? And users be obliged to convert GPXes created on other non-FIT platforms to FIT for import to SA for xfer to watch? Efficient?

                            No I dont think so atm.

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                              kukubau
                              last edited by kukubau 7 Jun 2020, 06:40 6 Jul 2020, 06:19

                              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos

                              Another reason I and others would like to have the moves saved in *.gpx format.
                              When I try to upload the *.gpx files exported from Suunto app to https://ayvri.com I get this error. So the *.gpx files are not compliant. I have used ayvri and the former doarama in the past and I’ve never encountered this issue.

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                              I’m a paraglider pilot and I use ayvri constantly. *.IGC track log files exported from my altivario GPS device are compliant and compatible, no issues there. It happens only with *.GPX files exported from the new Suunto app. Files exported from Movescount are still compatible as they were in the past.

                              I also tried to convert the *.gpx file to igc using GpsDump that I’ve used in the past w/o issues. No success.

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                              Converting the *.FIT file using online tools to *.KML or *.GPS renders the same result “No tracks found”.

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                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @kukubau
                                last edited by 6 Jul 2020, 10:00

                                @kukubau understood !

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                                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @kukubau
                                  last edited by 26 Jul 2020, 18:57

                                  @kukubau as of now

                                  http://quantified-self.io/ v6.5.12 even with an anonymous account you can upload a fit file and get a gpx

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                                    Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                    last edited by 26 Jul 2020, 19:27

                                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos As a route or track (time-stamped points) or punter’s choice?

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                                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r
                                      last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 05:52

                                      @Fenr1r no route track. Proper activity to gpx , with cadence, power, distance etc

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                                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r
                                        last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 05:52

                                        @Fenr1r for example to be used in Avr

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                                          Mff73 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                          last edited by 27 Jul 2020, 12:15

                                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
                                          Thanks a lot, gpx export for workout is great 🙂
                                          Just asking : is there any issue to have export options directly in the dashboard and not in workout detail page ?
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