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    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @SlaSh
    last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 09:39

    @slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos as per valancell technical datasheet BW2.0 HW design to use 2 leds.

    Uses 2 LEDs for retrieving data. The 3rd pauses on ibi. It’s a chip from valencel. This is the official answer. If you want I have a video for you for how it blinks.

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      SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
      last edited by SlaSh 4 Jun 2018, 09:42 6 Apr 2018, 09:41

      @dimitrios-kanellopoulos I have datasheet from the valancell and bw2 only have 2 leds and optical detector… Even shape of the sensor looks differently. When I look at trainer/s3f sensor it looks exactly as BW1.2 in shape and etc.

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        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @SlaSh
        last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 09:58

        @slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos I have datasheet from the valancell and bw2 only have 2 leds and optical detector… Even shape of the sensor looks differently. When I look at trainer/s3f sensor it looks exactly as BW1.2 in shape and etc.

        I took a look at the sheet and did not see any specific limitation to 2LEDS as the module is movable and apart from the led system

        Benchmark BW2.0 has an optimized design that provides the option to separate the MCU from the optical sensor, which gives customers the flexibility to move the MCU to another location and enable overall reduced device size or space for additional components in the device.

        However I asked Suunto for a official reply (which was already in the article I posted)

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          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
          last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos 4 Jun 2018, 10:00 6 Apr 2018, 09:59

          Also from the technical sheet bw2.0

          0_1523008782026_Screen Shot 2018-04-06 at 11.59.19.png

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            SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
            last edited by SlaSh 4 Jun 2018, 10:16 6 Apr 2018, 10:13

            @dimitrios-kanellopoulos you can check yourself official data sheets, my main university graduation is electronics and I see quite big differences between these two sensors and how they work and looking at s3f sensor shape, how leds are placed and how many of them I can almost guarantee that it is BW1.2.:

            https://valencell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/000831-2.00-Benchmark-Wrist-1.2-Datasheet.pdf
            On the left of the diagram, the sensor module circuit board contains a digital optical detector system,
            three LEDs
            https://valencell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/000912-1.01-Benchmark-Wrist-2.0-Datasheet.pdf
            On the left of the diagram, the sensor module circuit board contains a digital optical detector system, two
            LEDs
            , and an accelerometer.

            You cannot move so easily leds as it will impact measurement and etc, shape is one of the factors which cannot be amended so easily as this will impact production line and etc.

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              SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 10:21

              @dimitrios-kanellopoulos this drawing that you have provided shows 2 leds + optical sensor 🙂

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                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @SlaSh
                last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 10:23

                @slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

                @dimitrios-kanellopoulos you can check yourself official data sheets, my main university graduation is electronics and I see quite big differences between these two sensors and how they work and looking at s3f sensor shape, how leds are placed and how many of them I can almost guarantee that it is BW1.2.:

                https://valencell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/000831-2.00-Benchmark-Wrist-1.2-Datasheet.pdf
                On the left of the diagram, the sensor module circuit board contains a digital optical detector system,
                three LEDs
                https://valencell.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/000912-1.01-Benchmark-Wrist-2.0-Datasheet.pdf
                On the left of the diagram, the sensor module circuit board contains a digital optical detector system, two
                LEDs
                , and an accelerometer.

                You cannot move so easily leds as it will impact measurement and etc, shape is one of the factors which cannot be amended so easily as this will impact production line and etc.

                I also finished electronics however it’s not my expertise.

                Taking a look at the specs:

                BW2.0

                0_1523010065049_Screen Shot 2018-04-06 at 12.20.02.png

                BW1.2

                0_1523010146312_Screen Shot 2018-04-06 at 12.22.18.png

                I dont see anything specific to the led sensors count.

                Correct me or help me to understand (before suunto replies)

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                  SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                  last edited by SlaSh 4 Jun 2018, 10:29 6 Apr 2018, 10:29

                  @dimitrios-kanellopoulos anyway no matter BW1.2 can provide vo2, RR and HRV as well, just the matter if suunto is willing to give this functionality for customers 🙂 Once s3f released I can do reverse engineering of s3f FW to make sure what kind of sensor it is 🙂

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                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @SlaSh
                    last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 10:32

                    @slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos anyway no matter BW1.2 can provide vo2, RR and HRV as well, just the matter if suunto is willing to give this functionality for customers 🙂 Once s3f released I can do reverse engineering of s3f FW to make sure what kind of sensor it is 🙂

                    haha true but only resting RR eh!

                    Btw take a look at this:

                    0_1523010700367_Screen Shot 2018-04-06 at 12.31.00.png

                    What do you make out (I am not expert here) and I more will trust you @slashas rather than 5K runner etc.

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                      SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                      last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 10:42

                      @dimitrios-kanellopoulos looks like BW1.2 by shape, led placement 2 green, 1 yellow, optical sensor. Looks exactly the same as on my baro 🙂 this is just speculations, to confirm that I need FW 🙂

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                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                        last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 11:10

                        @slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

                        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos looks like BW1.2 by shape, led placement 2 green, 1 yellow, optical sensor. Looks exactly the same as on my baro 🙂 this is just speculations, to confirm that I need FW 🙂

                        I am with you on this one.

                        But as you I am also trying to understand.

                        Take a look here:
                        0_1523012973702_Screen Shot 2018-04-06 at 13.06.51.png

                        Left is the trainer and then it’s SSSWHR and Baro. The SSWHR and Baro have a different component.

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                          NicolasP @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                          last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 11:17

                          @dimitrios-kanellopoulos in lot of reviews I’ve read that the Trainer uses the same OWHR component than Sport but presented differently as rotated by 180° and integrated differently as well as the modul is not hidden in the case of the watch.

                          SST

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                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @NicolasP
                            last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 11:22

                            @nicolasp said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

                            @dimitrios-kanellopoulos in lot of reviews I’ve read that the Trainer uses the same OWHR component than Sport but presented differently as rotated by 180° and integrated differently as well as the modul is not hidden in the case of the watch.

                            To be honest I do not really know. From my tests on S3F vs Trainer etc the light diodes do blink differently and I get IBI data from running and rest.

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                              SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                              last edited by SlaSh 4 Jun 2018, 11:46 6 Apr 2018, 11:43

                              @dimitrios-kanellopoulos more expensive watches are having sensor under the watch frame, lower quality are under glass composite solution which is more easy and cheaper to manufacture.

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                                SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 11:45

                                @dimitrios-kanellopoulos led flashing might be FW related 😉 we will see if there are going to be any changes with comming FW to spartan line, currently my sensor fw level is 5196.

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                                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @SlaSh
                                  last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 11:49

                                  @slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

                                  @dimitrios-kanellopoulos more expensive watches are having sensor under the watch frame, lower quality are under glass composite solution which is more easy and cheaper to manufacture.

                                  I was talking about the leds. There are not the same. Take a closer look

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                                    SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                    last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 11:59

                                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos but if you look how trainer is flashing, it is flashing the same as the baro or spartan with ohrm 😉

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                                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @SlaSh
                                      last edited by 6 Apr 2018, 12:01

                                      @slashas said in Suunto 3 Fitness Thoughts:

                                      @dimitrios-kanellopoulos but if you look how trainer is flashing, it is flashing the same as the baro or spartan with ohrm 😉

                                      yes yes that is what I said. But S3F has it continuously. At the start I thought my unit was broken.

                                      Anyways I am kinda sure there will be an upgrade to the FW but not sure if the S3F goodies will come, perhaps not due to limitation of Hw but more over licensing.

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                                        SlaSh Platinum Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                        last edited by SlaSh 4 Jun 2018, 12:17 6 Apr 2018, 12:16

                                        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos when I first bought baro I thought my unit is defective cause how ohrm is flashing, as all previous watches which I have owned were flashing fast barely noticeable with naked eye or even not noticeable. I need to do test with the leds with continuously power supply and with impulse power supply would be interesting to test which solution draws more power 😉

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