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Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!

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    surfboomerang @freeheeler
    last edited by 1 Nov 2019, 16:55

    @TELE-HO said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

    I tested today S9B vs A3PS in direct comparison on a family “hike” with a lot of playground and icecream pitstops…
    what I notice is that A3PS has a calmer recording. I saw couple of times while just sitting in the sun (I did not hit pause by purpose!) that S9B keeps showing some speed and adds up distance.
    https://app.suunto.com/move/skiingone/5db447fb17683a1f54482a7f

    I think you face the same problem as I do with the S9 Baro. The speed wobbles a lot which, in my opinion, is due to a bad signal reception or GNSS algorithm. This adds some distance to the total track
    https://forum.suunto.com/topic/1711/suunto-9-highly-inaccurate-speed-readings/43

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      freeheeler @surfboomerang
      last edited by 1 Nov 2019, 17:11

      @surfboomerang
      I see that it has improved. The distance is reasonable and differs minor to the distance of A3PS recording.
      It was an issue, it has improved. If it is good ebough, I will check in the next month with slow moving activity on skis.
      But for me it’s going absolutely in the right direction

      living sideways

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        freeheeler @pilleus
        last edited by 1 Nov 2019, 17:15

        @pilleus agree, your recording of the alti graph looks a bit worse than mine.

        I think we must not forget that also sensors have tolerance.
        I’m by far not a top athlete but from my personality quite demanding. For me it’s fine as it was today.

        living sideways

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          Shrek3k @sartoric
          last edited by Shrek3k 11 Jan 2019, 18:34 1 Nov 2019, 18:34

          @sartoric I am rather late to join the visibility part of the discussion. For me I more or less solved the issue by simply switching the mode under options to light, also that I have dark numbers on a light background, which improves visibility (for me) vastly, even when the backlight is inactive and the sunlight no longer / still not that bright.

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            freeheeler
            last edited by 1 Nov 2019, 22:16

            … just compared my wifes and sister in laws half marathon track recordings from last week.
            one A3R and one A3PS.
            Both are a bit offset… and from a distance it roughly looks like same accuracy as S9B…
            every device receives satellite data and calculates individually… this makes me think that it is nice to compare A3PS vs S9B directly but we should not judge too critical…

            … I mean… please correct me if I’m wrong, but the satellites are located more or less half way to the moon… 1m accuracy is like if you would want to shoot a football from the moon into a goal in whatever stadium, isn’t it?!

            living sideways

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              pilleus @freeheeler
              last edited by 1 Nov 2019, 22:35

              @TELE-HO said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

              it is nice to compare A3PS vs S9B

              Yes, it is. And in all cases the tracks of the Ambit 3 are better. More accurate, more precise.

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                freeheeler @pilleus
                last edited by freeheeler 11 Jan 2019, 22:57 1 Nov 2019, 22:54

                @pilleus
                but when I checked A3R vs A3PS they also differ… it’s hard to quantify but it is a measuring system and it has tolerance. That’s my point of view.

                here are two tracks of the same skitour, both with A3PS… first how it should be, second when recording is crap… even A3PS hast its weak days

                Screenshot_20191101-235212.png

                Screenshot_20191101-235111.png

                edit: if you follow the second track you’ll fall over a not insignificant cliff…

                living sideways

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                  freeheeler
                  last edited by 6 Nov 2019, 20:43

                  here another comparison of 3 circles in my backyard

                  https://quantified-self.io/user/jBm0qOhihUMykVYD8HBJMshQrJc2/event/Z3fjts8jvu1Dafbn6g1b

                  living sideways

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                    zhang965 @freeheeler
                    last edited by 6 Nov 2019, 21:29

                    @TELE-HO your backyard looks like a dildo???

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                      freeheeler @zhang965
                      last edited by 6 Nov 2019, 21:35

                      @zhang965
                      😂
                      yes that’s what’s left after they built some roads and houses 😉

                      living sideways

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                        sartoric Moderator @freeheeler
                        last edited by sartoric 11 Jun 2019, 21:54 6 Nov 2019, 21:54

                        @TELE-HO said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

                        @zhang965
                        😂
                        yes that’s what’s left after they built some roads and houses 😉

                        Well, I guess it’s not funny to have a dildo in you backyard

                        😁

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                          freeheeler @sartoric
                          last edited by 6 Nov 2019, 22:13

                          @sartoric
                          … and I tell my kids not to draw stupid things with chalk on the streets… 😉

                          living sideways

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                            Fenr1r @freeheeler
                            last edited by Fenr1r 11 Jun 2019, 23:06 6 Nov 2019, 23:02

                            @TELE-HO My theology is a bit rusty but if drawing, carving and/or gardening giant wangs is supposed to appeal to gods of fertility, what does outlining a massive vibrator get you?

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                              freeheeler @Fenr1r
                              last edited by 7 Nov 2019, 05:09

                              @Fenr1r
                              I didn’t do this for myself but for others in need as I am a giving person 😉

                              living sideways

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                                Fenr1r @freeheeler
                                last edited by Fenr1r 11 Jul 2019, 13:02 7 Nov 2019, 13:02

                                @TELE-HO Bravo. And as you give, so should you receive. What goes around, comes around. Etc.

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                                  freeheeler @Fenr1r
                                  last edited by 7 Nov 2019, 13:12

                                  @Fenr1r 🙈

                                  living sideways

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                                    freeheeler
                                    last edited by freeheeler 11 Sept 2019, 12:02 9 Nov 2019, 12:01

                                    here’s another comparison of S9B vs A3PS with same settings. This time the chest strap was connected to A3PS and OHR was used with S9B to check for differences between the two types of HR measuring.
                                    At home I’ve changed manually by purpose the altitude to the wrong value of around 650m in both watches to check what they do with FusedAlti.
                                    S9B got a start alti of 481m, A3PS has 472m. The total ascent of S9B was 146m and A3PS 159m.
                                    Swiss Topo Map shows at my start point 472m.
                                    The alti profile of both recordings look similar, and the offset from start is constant throughout the activities. I don’t know why S9B shows a more nervous graph but still has less meters total ascent. Does it measure the alti more often?! A3PS looks much “smoother”.
                                    Distance S9B: 7.74km, A3PS: 7.79m.
                                    Between km 3 and 4 I purposely went once around a big tree… S9B did not recognize this circle, A3PS did.

                                    The HR graph in my opinion is differing, too. But for me it’s good enough. In general I will use the strap anyway, because of less battery consumption and better measuring precision. I noticed that S9B was often a bit higher and took longer time to show lower HR values when the trail changed from up to downhill.

                                    It’s interesting to see these differences… BUT I must say that I would believe both.
                                    The start altitude of A3PS nailed it… could be coincidence or pure precision 👍

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                                      Fenr1r @freeheeler
                                      last edited by 9 Nov 2019, 20:07

                                      @TELE-HO The tree was a nice touch. Interesting.

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                                        A Former User @freeheeler
                                        last edited by 9 Nov 2019, 21:12

                                        @TELE-HO said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

                                        I don’t know why S9B shows a more nervous graph but still has less meters total ascent

                                        Thanks! That is a good comparison!

                                        One reason why S9B may have a more nervous graph is that it logs elevation every 1 second vs 10 seconds for A3P. But that still doesn’t help with more accurate total ascent.

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                                          freeheeler @Guest
                                          last edited by 9 Nov 2019, 21:23

                                          @silentvoyager said in Pros/Cons of Suunto 9 BARO * ONLY * be fair and polite!:

                                          very 1 second vs 10 seconds

                                          I suspected this but I’ve had something in memory that it is not adjustable anymore because 10sec would make more sense… but I obviously recall this wrong…

                                          living sideways

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