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Problem of cumulative elevation gain

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    freeheeler @isazi
    last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 18:05

    @isazi
    mind merging this topic šŸ™‚ https://forum.suunto.com/topic/3388/problem-of-cumulative-elevation-gain?_=1610647206541

    @Andrea-Lo-Manto
    you’re not alone, but what you see seems to be a lot!
    When the skilled guys here see your alti graph they can make a tendency diagnosis.
    Common issues are blocked baro holes, e.g. by rainjacket, tight watch wearing style etc…

    living sideways

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      isazi Moderator @freeheeler
      last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 18:11

      @freeheeler there is no merge button in the forum. If the OP wants we can lock this one and keep discussing in the other one.

      Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

      Blog: isazi's home

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        freeheeler @isazi
        last edited by 14 Jan 2021, 18:14

        @isazi
        ah really? I thought few of us have a magic button to merge similar topics šŸ™‚ sorry, ignore my comment šŸ˜‰

        living sideways

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          Daretodream @freeheeler
          last edited by 30 Dec 2021, 07:56

          @freeheeler I am experiencing some issues with elevation gain in general as well, especially since running with a Stryd footpod.
          Issues I am experiencing:

          • Watch showing way to much elevation gain while Stryd shows more realistic elevation gain (e.g. on really flat course watch says 230m up/down, stryd says 20m up/down and TP elevation correction shows 15m)
          • Watch shows 0 elevation gain while Stryd shows more realistic elevation gain on 1min hill intervals (e.g. watch says 0m up/down, stryd says 363m up/down and TP elevation correction shows 262m up/down)

          The values in TP before elevation correction are the values from my watch. I am not into a precision of like 1-2m elevation gain however a realistic elevation reading would be very helpful. Could you explain where the baro holes on the watch are, then I can check those. Any other ideas? Could coupling a footpod to the baro cause such a major difference?

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            isazi Moderator @Daretodream
            last edited by 30 Dec 2021, 08:19

            @daretodream said in Problem of cumulative elevation gain:

            Could coupling a footpod to the baro cause such a major difference?

            No, the pod is not the cause of the issue (I run with it every time).

            Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

            Blog: isazi's home

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              Brad_Olwin Moderator @Daretodream
              last edited by 30 Dec 2021, 14:19

              @daretodream It is possible that the sensor hole is obstructed. Or, if there was high wind and the wind hits the sensor hole this can happen.

              Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                Vrba007 @Brad_Olwin
                last edited by 20 Aug 2023, 14:15

                @Brad_Olwin
                Hi Brad, I experience similar problems very often.
                Elevation gain all of the sudden goes wild (tiny spikes)…but this is very random…some of my hiking activities don’t show this issue and some do.
                Interesting, when I’m walking a flat surface with no or a little elevation gain I haw never had problems with ā€œspikesā€.
                And the most interestig is that this ā€œspikesā€ are visible only on a part of (hiking/walking) excersise…
                I think that my watch isn’t to tight round the wristand the wind wasn’t blowing nore the jacket was obstructing sesnsor holes…
                Based on my description, Do you think that this is due to dirty sensor?

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                  freeheeler @Vrba007
                  last edited by freeheeler 20 Aug 2023, 14:54

                  @Vrba007
                  I guess the spikes are pointing downwards. if that is so, they most likely happen due to sealing effect of the baro holes on sweaty skin. a slightly higher pressure is recorded and when the pressure is relieved the alti goes up again, summing up in a higher total ascent value.
                  I’ve had this happening with my S9B x-alps, too, but rarely after I knew how to wear it to avoid it.

                  problem got solved with S9P’s new sensor position and I appreciate this design is carried onward to S9PP and Vertical šŸ‘Œ

                  living sideways

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                    Vrba007 @freeheeler
                    last edited by Vrba007 21 Aug 2023, 13:42

                    @freeheeler
                    Yes, I also think that sweat was this time the reason for these problems.
                    You said that knew how to wear it…what is your ā€œsecretā€ šŸ™‚

                    Since, I am lefthanded I wear my S9B watch on my right hand, so the sensor openings are closer to my hand/palm), and the buttons away from it…
                    do you think that I should change the arm on which I wear my watch?

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                      Brad_Olwin Moderator @Vrba007
                      last edited by 21 Aug 2023, 15:25

                      @Vrba007 @freeheeler I wear the watch on my left wrist so this could be a potential issue. The other problem I have had is wind. If fairly heavy winds hit the sensor the elevation data will be way off and you will see the spikes.

                      Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                        Vrba007 @Brad_Olwin
                        last edited by Vrba007 21 Aug 2023, 16:51

                        @Brad_Olwin thanks for advice…I’ll test this on my next hike, and see if that solves the problem.

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                          Vrba007 @Vrba007
                          last edited by 21 Aug 2023, 16:55

                          @Vrba007 maybe an offtopic, but how do I attach image on my post?
                          When I press ā€œadd imageā€ button i get this: ![alt text](image url)…

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                            zhang965 @Vrba007
                            last edited by 21 Aug 2023, 16:57

                            @Vrba007 said in Problem of cumulative elevation gain:

                            @Vrba007 maybe an offtopic, but how do I attach image on my post?
                            When I press ā€œadd imageā€ button i get this: ![alt text](image url)…Screenshot_2023-08-21-18-56-59-81_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg

                            Winners Wear Winners

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                              freeheeler @Vrba007
                              last edited by 21 Aug 2023, 17:16

                              @Vrba007
                              I used to wear my S9B fairly loose so that the holes are rarely close to my forearm. as @Brad_Olwin says, wind can be a reason, too. this will look differently on the HR graph compared to the sweat ā€œtheoryā€.
                              wearing the watch on the right wrist is a different story. if you wear it loose the sensor will sit on the back of your hand

                              living sideways

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                                Vrba007 @zhang965
                                last edited by 21 Aug 2023, 23:07

                                @zhang965 Screenshot_2023-08-20-16-16-17-43_b14a9358fd6881e7ef1642d19c4cec95.jpg

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                                  Vrba007 @Vrba007
                                  last edited by Vrba007 21 Aug 2023, 23:08

                                  @zhang965 thanks mate šŸ˜‰
                                  It’s interesting though, how spikes showed on the part of a trail where I know, that I have sweated a lot…

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                                    isazi Moderator @Vrba007
                                    last edited by 22 Aug 2023, 08:53

                                    @Vrba007 then it is quite possible that sweat got inside the baro hole, causing these continuous raise and drop in pressure. From the graph it looks that the drops are the spurious artifacts, and that would be consistent with an artificial increase of pressure due to sweat (or anything else pushing air/water inside the baro hole).

                                    Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

                                    Blog: isazi's home

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