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    isazi Moderator @DRezvoff
    last edited by 17 Sept 2021, 09:27

    @drezvoff does your watch has a barometer? I don’t know the specifics it. Also, yes Garmin releases many updates, not too many for watches that are as old as yours though.

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      Mi_chael Bronze Member @DRezvoff
      last edited by 17 Sept 2021, 09:35

      @drezvoff

      My fenix have many update but too many bugs…!!!

      D 1 Reply Last reply 17 Sept 2021, 10:31 Reply Quote 0
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        DRezvoff @isazi
        last edited by 17 Sept 2021, 10:29

        @isazi no, my watch model without a barometer

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          DRezvoff @Mi_chael
          last edited by 17 Sept 2021, 10:31

          @mi_chael I compare climbing readings with other athletes who use Polar or Garmin watches. The total difference in climbing at a distance of 17km differs by 100-200m… That’s a huge difference.

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            DRezvoff
            last edited by 17 Sept 2021, 10:45

            We all ran the same distance together…

            Here’s the data from my watch, climbing 573m
            https://www.strava.com/activities/5778881853

            Here are the data from the clock Polar, climbing 838m
            https://www.strava.com/activities/5778881853

            Here is the data from the watch Garmin, climbing 825m
            https://www.strava.com/activities/5779198526

            The difference in climb is almost 300 m!!! And this is in an open area, without a forest.

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              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @DRezvoff
              last edited by 17 Sept 2021, 13:16

              @drezvoff non baro devices have this issue on not constant climbs.

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                DRezvoff @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 05:29

                yesterday’s training, the difference in climbing 339m per 30km…

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                https://www.strava.com/activities/5984088835

                Polar Vintage M
                https://www.strava.com/activities/5984102067

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                  sartoric Moderator @DRezvoff
                  last edited by sartoric 20 Sept 2021, 08:23

                  @drezvoff
                  Your watch still has no barometer, I don’t think you’ll see any big improvement keep posting your stravaS 😁

                  eg. https://www.reddit.com/r/Polarfitness/comments/jidk6x/polar_vantage_m_altimeter_measurement_completely/

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                    A Former User @DRezvoff
                    last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 08:42

                    @drezvoff said in Spartan update complains:

                    yesterday’s training, the difference in climbing 339m per 30km…

                    Suunto Spartan Sport WHR
                    https://www.strava.com/activities/5984088835

                    Polar Vintage M
                    https://www.strava.com/activities/5984102067

                    As others said, that device has no barometer. The readings may not be very precise.
                    You can read more about it here or here
                    Also spartan line is kinda known to not have more updates.
                    I think your best bet is to use altitude correction on the platform you use to see your trainings.
                    Also, there will be always difference between brands.

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                      DRezvoff @sartoric
                      last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 10:28

                      @sartoric I hope that the developer will make new software and update the clock. Processing algorithms given from satellites change, accuracy, etc…
                      in the new clock, new algorithms…

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                        DRezvoff @Guest
                        last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 10:32

                        @andré-faria the difference between brands is normal.
                        But when the difference in determining the climb is 300-400m, it’s a lot…
                        software update and it is necessary to apply new modern data processing algorithms in the clock… Suunto did not update the early models, but simply stopped supporting them…

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                          A Former User @DRezvoff
                          last edited by 20 Sept 2021, 10:57

                          @drezvoff said in Spartan update complains:

                          @sartoric I hope that the developer will make new software and update the clock. Processing algorithms given from satellites change, accuracy, etc…
                          in the new clock, new algorithms…

                          Don’t raise your hopes too high…
                          But only suunto knows…I highly doubt they will update an older watch with new algorythm.
                          Not only by being old and out of sale, but also due to hardware incompability/testing involved, etc etc

                          @drezvoff said in Spartan update complains:

                          @andré-faria the difference between brands is normal.
                          But when the difference in determining the climb is 300-400m, it’s a lot…
                          software update and it is necessary to apply new modern data processing algorithms in the clock… Suunto did not update the early models, but simply stopped supporting them…

                          So which one is correct?
                          Here is the data of both compared:
                          spartan vs polar.jpg

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                            DRezvoff @Guest
                            last edited by 22 Sept 2021, 03:24

                            @andré-faria I think the speed is more accurate with Suunto, but Polar writes the height profile more accurately. Although Suunto heights are more accurate

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                              DRezvoff @DRezvoff
                              last edited by 3 Dec 2021, 09:52

                              Suunto Spartan Sport WHR the clock began to lie a lot by climbing… 😠
                              track from hours climbing by hour 127m
                              track after correction in Strava climbing by Strava 634m
                              Error determining height 500m!!! 👿 👿 👿

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                              DMytroD S 2 Replies Last reply 3 Dec 2021, 10:51 Reply Quote 0
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                                DMytro @DRezvoff
                                last edited by 3 Dec 2021, 10:51

                                @drezvoff I think it was always the case for nonbaro watches.

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                                  sartoric Moderator @DRezvoff
                                  last edited by sartoric 12 Mar 2021, 11:06 3 Dec 2021, 11:04

                                  @drezvoff
                                  as @DMytro suggested, that kind of small altitude variations mostly creates those “discrepancies” on NON baro watches

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                                    DRezvoff @DMytro
                                    last edited by 8 Dec 2021, 03:05

                                    @dmytro @sartoric small discrepancies, it is 10-30m, not 500m! 😠

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                                    Mff73M S 2 Replies Last reply 8 Dec 2021, 06:34 Reply Quote 0
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                                      Mff73 @DRezvoff
                                      last edited by 8 Dec 2021, 06:34

                                      @drezvoff

                                      Maybe it was a not so good GPS day, with “high” altitude readings error (due to GPS data in this area this day), and in top of that, this track is quite wavy and ““flat”” (let say mini/maxi hills are 30m, right ?).
                                      SSWHR is cutting each small ascents less than 7m, it is by design.
                                      If GPS altitude errors are 15/20m in the bad direction for you (let say, each time it minimize the ascent), then you might have this high difference result (not good for you, but with an explanation). But all this already have been explained.

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                                      suzzloS D 2 Replies Last reply 8 Dec 2021, 08:02 Reply Quote 0
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                                        suzzlo Moderator @Mff73
                                        last edited by 8 Dec 2021, 08:02

                                        I also have a Spartan NON Baro, and for me, this is not usable.
                                        The good news (for S line members) is that, Suunto had made a change in their algo, so S5 and newer NON Baro watches will benefit from that.
                                        Also an SA, “elevation correction” will improve the experience for us.

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                                        DMytroD D 2 Replies Last reply 8 Dec 2021, 08:19 Reply Quote 0
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                                          DMytro @suzzlo
                                          last edited by 8 Dec 2021, 08:19

                                          @suzzlo what change do you mean? I do hill repeats with my S9 and out of 75m elevation per repeat, it only counts about a half.

                                          suzzloS 1 Reply Last reply 8 Dec 2021, 13:03 Reply Quote 0
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