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Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by johann.fuehrer 8 Apr 2020, 07:13 4 Aug 2020, 07:12

    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thatt’s the problem with such studies, they are always outdated, never on the latest firmware and always sponsored by someone. But I have/had five of this eight watches (the Garmins and the Vantage were sold, Polar V800 and S9B are still here besides A2 & A3) and the result matches well with my experience.

    The V800 is besides the A2 & A3 the watch with the most accurate GPS I ever had, the FR935 was also pretty good, then the S9B and last would I rate the F5X plus.

    The Vantage went back, because of the poor navigation capabilities, the Garmins were sold because of the software issues which went worse with each update and it sucks to update every 1-2 weeks not to know if you get more fixed or more new bugs…

    The V800 and A2/A3 will stay as I like them as they are 🙂

    The S9B is my all day and workout watch now …

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      freeheeler
      last edited by 4 Aug 2020, 21:51

      shouldn’t scientists work to uncover the truth independently from a sponsor?
      I would expect that from the phd’s and bcs’s in magglingen…

      living sideways

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        Brad_Olwin Moderator @freeheeler
        last edited by 4 Aug 2020, 23:20

        @TELE-HO said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

        shouldn’t scientists work to uncover the truth independently from a sponsor?
        I would expect that from the phd’s and bcs’s in magglingen…

        I would hope so too, the only thing I can think is they donated watches? I am a publishing scientist, not in this field but it is hard for me to imagine why the study was sponsored. It is possible the sponsor paid for the salary of a student or technician. If it is peer-reviewed, which these are I trust the reviewers as they new the conflicts and assessed the data.

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          Egika Platinum Member
          last edited by 5 Aug 2020, 04:49

          Only because some company ordered a study at a scientific organisation, this does not mean it is wrong.
          Maybe the setup and boundary conditions are biased, so take these with precaution, but I would trust the result itself.

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            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
            last edited by 5 Aug 2020, 05:27

            As Bradley said it, I think it’s about the “free watches”.

            The study had 3 polars vs the “rest” which the rest were just a few.

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              zhang965
              last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 09:34

              Same place, same distance, same configuration, one year later

              IMG_20200807_113251.jpg IMG_20200807_113305.jpg

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                johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @zhang965
                last edited by johann.fuehrer 8 Jul 2020, 10:02 7 Aug 2020, 10:02

                @zhang965 sorry, maybe I have missed something above - what do we see here (except the obvious that the latter is better in GPS quality)? Which watch & which GPS settings for first and second picture? Thx

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                  cosme.costa @johann.fuehrer
                  last edited by cosme.costa 8 Jul 2020, 10:33 7 Aug 2020, 10:32

                  @johann-fuehrer If you see the pictures there is a timestamp, and the newer is worse than the older.

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                    johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @cosme.costa
                    last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 10:34

                    @cosmecosta said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                    @johann-fuehrer If you see the pictures there is a timestamp, and the newer is worse than the older.

                    Sorry, yes! - you are right, I didn’t check this. All clear now…

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
                      last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 10:48

                      @zhang965 Beidou?

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                        Bulkan Moderator
                        last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:11

                        @zhang965 Nice park, I’ve ran there.

                        I remember saw a guy running fast with two watches…

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                          zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                          last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:42

                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                          @zhang965 Beidou?

                          both are gps+galileo

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                            isazi Moderator @zhang965
                            last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:51

                            @zhang965 seems consistent with my Galileo experience: when it works, it works great; when it fucks up, it does it spectacularly.

                            Galmon also seems to point out to recent issues with Galileo satellites.

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                              zhang965 @Bulkan
                              last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:51

                              @Bulkan said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                              @zhang965 Nice park, I’ve ran there.

                              I remember saw a guy running fast with two watches…

                              last year, i ran a lot around of this park.

                              this year because of the obvious circumstance, I back to the park last month and my s9b gps got way worse than last year, sometimes I can see my speed dropping a lot even though I keep the same pace. (for example 4m/km drop to 7m/km during a while)

                              I don’t know what happened, does the covid affect the GPS satellites?

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                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                                last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:55

                                Despite me being super excited by gallileo , I never use it.

                                I get the same experience with most.

                                Either great or siiiiittt.

                                Beidou and glonass seem the best for me.

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                                  Fenr1r @zhang965
                                  last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:58

                                  @zhang965 said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                                  I don’t know what happened, does the covid affect the GPS satellites?

                                  You may have it backwards: GPS went Skynet on us, created covid and blamed 5G. In this case it’s just messing with you for shiggles.

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                                    kabzior Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
                                    last edited by 17 Aug 2020, 21:25

                                    @Brad_Olwin said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                                    I would hope so too, the only thing I can think is they donated watches? I am a publishing scientist, not in this field but it is hard for me to imagine why the study was sponsored. It is possible the sponsor paid for the salary of a student or technician.

                                    There is no need to guess, the authors have revealed everything in Acknowledgments:

                                    Polar Electro Oy (Finland) funded this experiment in part. Polar Electro Oy provided the Swiss Federal Institute of Sport Magglingen (SFISM) with financial support to conduct the study. The funding was targeted for data collection, results analysis, and Polar reporting costs. Additionally, the products tested were provided by Polar. The Polar products were from the company stock directly and the other products were bought by Polar from stores and given to us for the period of the study. After termination, all products were returned to Polar. As agreed beforehand, representatives from Polar Electro Oy had no influence on the data collection or analysis or on the outcome of the article or any right to stop the SFISM from publishing the findings. The manuscript content does not necessarily reflect the views of Polar Electro Oy.

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                                      Maryn Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                      last edited by 18 Aug 2020, 06:47

                                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                                      Despite me being super excited by gallileo , I never use it.

                                      I get the same experience with most.

                                      Either great or siiiiittt.

                                      Beidou and glonass seem the best for me.

                                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I recently apologized to the GPS only mode:)

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                                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Maryn
                                        last edited by 18 Aug 2020, 07:27

                                        @Maryn same here

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                                          Shrek3k
                                          last edited by 3 Sept 2020, 19:05

                                          Currently - which is approximateky the last 3 - 4 weeks - the GPS is not what it has been. I even tried it in combination with Beidou, had a few soft resets, always checked if the GPS-file has been the newest one - up to now nothing helped. Today I had the worst track on my Berlin-route.
                                          Screenshot_20200903-205441_Suunto.jpg
                                          I am really not sure what happened as this route has never been perfectly tracked, but nevertheless never with these errors either.
                                          Screenshot from march
                                          Screenshot_20200903-210502_Suunto.jpg

                                          using a Suunto Vertical & Suunto Wings; mostly running (AKA stomping around) and cycling mostly through the northern german "wilderness"
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