Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

[Mff73]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
I had bad GPS yesterday as well, but no Sony in my Spartan GPS Fix was long, need to sync again AGPS, and track is bad
But no complain, i enjoyed my almost nighty, and totally rainy workout

[surfboomerang]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
Only Sony? Can this be chip specific? GPS errors affects all chips right?

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@surfboomerang not sure, but for sure I saw sony issues.

Check the COROS group. They had huge offsets and also our fieltest team

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos this is pretty crazy how it affects whole range of products that use the same chip. But on the other hand it shows how much can still be done with GPS firmware to optimize it.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel typically this can also be caused by a combination of wrong AGPS + FW

For example one time one Galileo Sat was down, aka should not be used, Sony forgot to update the AGPS to include this change and voila. I was steady at a spot locked to that orbiting sat going with crazy speeds around my house.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos cool story. It seems that the chip relies heavily on AGPS data. I wonder how much really and what will happen in the event of AGPS malfunction (ie. system outage on Sony side).

[sartoric]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel
In the ol’times getting a fix on an handheld gps took a lot

Usually you had to turn it on when you almost reached the location, just to start looking the sky, so you had to wait only 5/10 minutes before having a good readings

… then phones started using agps …

[freeheeler]

@sartoric
I remember that time… when I carried a backpack for the gps device

[sartoric]

@TELE-HO
… and external cabled antenna

[freeheeler]

@sartoric
that was possible with mine, but I did not invest in that

[A Former User]

In general for me GPS on S9 is very good and reliable. Some days ago I meassured a typical route via google maps. S9 said exactly the same distance after running. Also very much important and outstanding is FusedAlti. It went so incredible accurate! Wow!

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@sartoric I remember that too. But A in AGPS should mean assisted, right? Not Absolutely useless untill on LTE

Jokes aside, things like this year’s february bug or offline Galileo sat that @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos mentioned shouldn’t interfere with GPS receiver more than with a longer fix.

[A Former User]

@sartoric said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

@Łukasz-Szmigiel
In the ol’times getting a fix on an handheld gps took a lot

Usually you had to turn it on when you almost reached the location, just to start looking the sky, so you had to wait only 5/10 minutes before having a good readings

… then phones started using agps …

I don’t know how they manage it, but on the garmin etrex 30x which has no connection to internet the fix is quick.
That is something that sometimes puts me off into newer devices…you seem you can’t get that “pick it and go” you had with old ones like etrex 30x and ambit 2/3.
I remember when I got the ambit 2 even without same days sync it was blazing fast to catch gps signal.
With the polar rc3 I had before, not as fast but max wiating 1min-2min.
Today I hear about continuous resets, having to wait sometime after sync so agps files can do this and that on the watch, plus gps firmware.
Ok, so what is the added value that this new devices bring in order to compensate all the trouble (sincerelly asking)
?

[Bulkan]

@André-Faria said in [Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate

Today I hear about continuous resets, having to wait sometime after sync so agps files can do this and that on the watch, plus gps firmware.
Ok, so what is the added value that this new devices bring in order to compensate all the trouble (sincerelly asking)

How many resets did you have? Just curious.

[A Former User]

@Bulkan said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

@André-Faria said in [Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate

Today I hear about continuous resets, having to wait sometime after sync so agps files can do this and that on the watch, plus gps firmware.
Ok, so what is the added value that this new devices bring in order to compensate all the trouble (sincerelly asking)

How many resets did you have? Just curious.

With the ambit 2? None. Ambit 3 one.

[Bulkan]

@André-Faria with my s9 none. With my s7 none. With my Spartan none.

So the point is not how bad are our watches, the point is about how good are our watches. Let’s put some positive here.

[A Former User]

@Bulkan said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

@André-Faria with my s9 none. With my s7 none. With my Spartan none.

So the point is not how bad are our watches, the point is about how good are our watches. Let’s put some positive here.

My commentary is not to denegrate any watch.
In fact it is like that in most technology.
You are right, I know our watches are good, what I wanted to know, is what the S9B has better than the A3P in order to people make the switch and still have deal with resets and stuff.
I don’t believe that if the watch wasn’t that good, people wouldn’t get back to A3P for example…

[Bulkan]

@André-Faria have you try it? Do you know all the people who had done the switch or just the bias of go back to the A3?

In this forum, most of the users of Suunto watches don’t come here to say “Ey guys, I love my watch”.

The A3 is a great watch, but just a watch, like others.

[A Former User]

@Bulkan said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

@André-Faria have you try it? Do you know all the people who had done the switch or just the bias of go back to the A3?

In this forum, most of the users of Suunto watches don’t come here to say “Ey guys, I love my watch”.

The A3 is a great watch, but just a watch, like others.

Maybe I am getting misunderstand…I am asking…not making a statement…
I never tried a S9B…and I am curious about it…

@Bulkan said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

@André-Faria have you try it? Do you know all the people who had done the switch or just the bias of go back to the A3?

In this forum, most of the users of Suunto watches don’t come here to say “Ey guys, I love my watch”.

The A3 is a great watch, but just a watch, like others.

Hello Bulkan,
Maybe I am not expressing myself well.
I am curious in a good way about S9B…when I posted this was to know more…so maybe I buy it…

[Fenr1r]

@André-Faria You may not find a convenient summary but read @Brad_Olwin’s longer posts comparing the two (DIY search) if you want a largely happy A3P->S9B* adopter view.

Depends on how you might feel about color touch-screens, Suunto Apps vs SuuntoPlus, structured/complex intervals, crowflight waypoints vs exact route navigation, vibration, looped menus and probably lots more, distributed over the forum.

Also, S9 development doesn’t appear to be done yet. With DigiTrans, it’s hard to see the A3P’s future as anything other than a fairly imminent decline in functionality.

*Apparently there was also a Spartan dalliance but we don’t need to talk about that.