Suunto 7

Luís Pinto

@Brad_Olwin Any tester with .fit or .json with NAV+BDS tracks?

Luís Pinto

@jean-william-cousin said in Suunto 7:

Don’t you think there’s a middle ground between athletes / pro / elite / very wild runners, whatever you want to call them and the Sunday runner you describe? This middle ground is to me the target audience of the S7.
I don’t think I can be categorized as running a few miles in the park before my latte and yoga session. I do 20-30km trails every 2 weeks, that is 3-4 hours run, run > 50km once a year and go hiking > 1500m+ a couple of times a year. So a 10 hours battery life per activity is enough for me, and I would not encounter extreme conditions but need something robust. As a training I do long flat run (2 or 3 hours) and would definitely welcome some music then.
I don’t seriously train, so intervals / planning are not for me. I don’t need very robust navigation, when I go for trails it’s on marked path so maps “only” are very good for that --> that’s what the S7 is for in my opinion, and that’s why the “Sunday runner” will go to a cheaper watch (unless they are Suunto addicts).
It’s alos very good for Sunnto to expand their strategic target consumers, as you don;t want to rely on only one crowd (= the hardcore guys). Of course the risk is loosing a bit the focus for one or the other group.

I understand all you said and agree with most. Suunto have to expand market as Garmin does. And offer different products for different targets of people. S7 is an attempt to do that.

Luís Pinto

@Prenj said in Suunto 7:

True. But still, as with any wear os device, you will probably need to charge it every day, maybe even more frequently. Until better batteries get developed this kind of devices will only be toys. At least for me. What good is HR sensor and it’s ability to monitor your sleep if you need to take off your watch for recharging every night?
I wish suunto focused it’s efforts more on developing some unique features that really distinguish them from others. There are a lot of similar devices on the market already. Mostly much cheaper.

Is not just battery. Maybe graphene material will make a huge step. And also cpu consumption.
https://www.businessinsider.com/samsung-graphene-battery-tech-super-fast-charging-2019-8

freeheeler

@Luís-Pinto
Arc’teryx came up with the super ugly Veilance series… even these jackets remind me of the movie Equilibrium I would never wear anything from the Veilance series… but I don’t have to, everyone can choose what they like

The disappointment here is that there are running new developments while older products could still need some attention.
I don’t know if the discussion about a Suunto Web is off the table with the S7 completely?

pilleus

A short hands-on …

https://youtu.be/vv9tp5Rl9Kg

Luís Pinto

@TELE-HO Unfortunately i think web will be past. Mobile is expandind very fast. There are rumors that Garmin and Polar will make that move. Garmin connect app is very complete in some way much better than web. Coros and Huami (Xiaomi) just have app.

But there is hope with Dimitrios’s Quantified. I propose a new name @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos QS Sports!

freeheeler

@Luís-Pinto
I think you are right. It’s good that we have Dimitrios with his nice QS project

Prenj

@Luís-Pinto
Yes. The point is that this particular watch model will not utilize this technology and I’m afraid that taking current battery life limitation in consideration will not be a success story when it hits the market.

So if Suunto management decided to make this watch to gain larger users base and make good profit out of it this could easily turn out to be a fail.

But if they did it because they want to gain advantage in this platform on time, expecting some huge advancement in power efficiency that industry will offer soon, that could be a success. But I’m not that optimistic about some big changes in power efficiency as we see how things go with mobile phones. After so many years we still have devices that mostly squeeze one day of use out of battery at most.

Also keep in mind that Suunto is notoriously understaffed in IT department, so balancing between all these platforms could be a big challenge for them.

Luís Pinto

@Prenj said in Suunto 7:

Yes. The point is that this particular watch model will not utilize this technology and I’m afraid that taking current battery life limitation in consideration will not be a success story when it hits the market.
So if Suunto management decided to make this watch to gain larger users base and make good profit out of it this could easily turn out to be a fail.
But if they did it because they want to gain advantage in this platform on time, expecting some huge advancement in power efficiency that industry will offer soon, that could be a success. But I’m not that optimistic about some big changes in power efficiency as we see how things go with mobile phones. After so many years we still have devices that mostly squeeze one day of use out of battery at most.
Also keep in mind that Suunto is notoriously understaffed in IT department, so balancing between all these platforms could be a big challenge for them

You’re right. Smartphones proof that battery issues it’s a challenge not solved. Even screen scratch is not solved. Today we have Gorilla 5 in screens and the scratchs are more and more. At some point Apple tried “synthetic sapphire” but it was a abandoned project. Or the publicity is cheating us or smartphones brands don’t tell the true. the thing is G3 is not better than G5 in real life.

About Suunto’s TI i still think that is short team. But they’re searching collaboration in so many areas: with Sony, Valencell, Google, Strava, Firstbeat, and so on.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Prenj said in Suunto 7:

Not impressed at all…

A bit to . butt in here. The first day the watch will update all apps etc + system updates. I am surprised that he could even go for a run

Saketo Nemo

when I read the suunto 7 announcement and its characteristics, I admit it, I was shocked in the negative. After thinking about it for a day, I have to admit that the problem was my expectations. Perhaps like many others, I expected a clock halfway between 5 and 9, as the number would have suggested.
Instead it is such a new product that it would have deserved another nomenclature. It is a smartwatch, which in this forum sounds like a negative adjective, but it is evident that Suunto does not want to “fish” among us.
We know the tons of apple watches sold out there. And it’s only compatible with iOS. The perception of the quality of the suunto brand in the world is very very high and I do not think that suunto 7 will have difficulty being preferred to an Apple watch.
So I can be damned for the battery life, for the absence of a sport triathlon mode, for the inability to connect a heart rate belt, and for the fact that it cannot follow me in my Ultra, but there is a whole market out there where Suunto can suck resources out of which will benefit the company, his survival and, for what is closest to us, the research and development of watches for all types of users.
I envy heat maps in Suunto 7, but electronic payments, music, wifi, other apps, would be just “nice to have” for me, nothing fundamental, nothing that could lead me to replace my suunto 9 with a suunto 7.
I could simply add a watch to mine collectionit, as @Brad_Olwin said, but I am not one of the users who can afford two watches.
Having to choose, therefore, I choose suunto 9 but, concluding, in its market smartwatch segment, intended for a specific target of users, Suunto 7 is an excellent watch that will make many happy.

freeheeler

@Saketo-Nemo said in Suunto 7:

Perhaps like many others, I expected a clock halfway between 5 and 9, as the number would have suggested.

naming is difficult and it was clearer in the ambit age…
the lineup could have been named like “fitness”, “multisport”, “smart” and “summit” or stuff like that.
with and without baro there are still differences that could ask for numbering of the products itself

sartoric

This new watch(es) looks to me like Suunto’s “ForeRunner”

Bulkan

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Ryan don’t give too much love to Suunto lately.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Bulkan idk if he has 20 gadgets to test …

A Former User

@DmitryKo @Brad_Olwin @jean-william-cousin I started by saying the watch is fine for people who run outdoors some. This is not to denigrate anyone, really. Think about it: with 8 hours of GPS, music, and HR you can run an intro ultra in it. Sure, it’s not gonna be 100 miles. Probably not even 50 miles. But still well in excess of the marathon distance for sure. Is this a training watch like S9? No. Can it be used for multiday hikes or real ultras? No. But just like with Apple watch, you can train up to a marathon in it and possibly beyond.

I think what Suunto finally understood is what Apple got a long time ago. There are only so many ultra runners. There are a lot of “serious athletes” out there, true, but that market isn’t that big either. I’m sure if you count all pros and semi-pros and various fitness nuts, we will be still talking tens of millions at best. They get their training tool and don’t update it for years. Just look at Ambit fire storms in these forums when Movescount decomm was announced.

Casual user? They are literally in billions. They want a capable, good looking smartwatch on their wrist during a day and a competent sports tracker for their 2-3 hours of activity a week. They update every few years. S7 serves this audience perfectly. And if ultra guys like @Brad_Olwin can use it for a few recovery runs during a week, that’s even better!

A Former User

@Bulkan He never did, let’s be honest about it. And his Hail Mary opening kind of hints at the narrative he’s taking.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@NickK spot on

A Former User

@Saketo-Nemo Yes, I think you, @Brad_Olwin and I agree where this watch falls, audience wise.

My only gripe is that had Suunto included things like sensors, running power, and the like, it wouldn’t have stopped a casual user, but would have tipped the balance for some who have to choose between S7 and S5/S9.

But then, it’s too early in this experiment. Heart rate and many other things can easily be added in the update.

A Former User

@Luís-Pinto said in Suunto 7:

My concern with S7 sucess is price. I really don’ t know if a casual sport guy or girl will buy this watch with so many choices in market.

This!

I think Suunto really dropped the ball on price. I understand premium design and materials. I get standard, easy to replace bands. Even S7 name itself, conveniently stuck smack in the middle of serious sports watches range and hinting at similar chops… But your packaging and marketing can only take you so far. This should have been $399 tops. Maybe even $349 to undercut Garmin Venu and Apple Watch and be within the range of regular WearOS smartwatches.

Unless… Unless Suunto never intended for S7 to be Apple Watch or Garmin Fenix killer out of the gate! But is actually using the watch to test the waters and develop a sports smartwatch foundation and services. So, when Qualcomm finally gives us a decent smartwatch SoC after some yelling and kicking from Google, and Google incorporates Fitbit/Pebble low-power aspects into WearOS, Suunto can deliver something entirely new, but already having recouped their prior investments into WearOS and gained expertise from the first iteration.