Suunto 7

Brad_Olwin

@Brad_Olwin Any tester with .fit or .json with NAV+BDS tracks?

I will post as soon as the watch is delivered and I have a production firmware. NDA prevents me from posting ATM. I can say the GPS still needs work but my altitude readings are very good. OHR is great.

Brad_Olwin

@NickK No decent sleep tracking apps at least from what I have tested. Don’t know if Suunto will implement this.

Luís Pinto

@Brad_Olwin Rejoice!

@Luís-Pinto said in Suunto 7:

@NickK Always SI. Nowadays, I would be delighted to see this in SuuntoPlus: “Automatic intervals ie identify automatically intervals, sprints based on running pace and cycling power”

Anyone still remembers SuuntoPlus? I thought that was just a distraction to make people wait for S7 and not switch to other brands over holidays.

DmitryKo

@silentvoyager AMOLED uses active LED pixels, so power consumption depends on the total brightness of all pixels, as opposed to LC shutters with full-on backlight in LCD panels. If you use dark backround with white or coloured fonts, power consumption will be significantly lower in comparison to a white backround with dark font.

freeheeler

@silentvoyager
then they can remove it with the next FW update… I don’t need Strava effort

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@silentvoyager S9 is still the flagship and Suunto Plus is underdev 100%

Suunto Plus (the marketing term) one could call just apps. I can via a toolkit atm send apps to my S9 but but but that toolkit is very far away from being public / decent API / Documentation stage.

DmitryKo

@NickK I get your point that Suunto 7 is targeted at billions of casual users and not a small group of ‘ultra runners’. Then again, there are a handful of similar SnapDragon Wear 2100/3100 devices already on the market - are these potential buyers willing to pay twice the price for the Suunto brand and analysis features they don’t really need?

I simply see it as the continued abandonment of their core user base, which started with the winding down of MovesCount and changeover to Sports Tracker which resulted in a loss of some features - and now what’s left of the former functionality is abandoned yet again, to be reimplemented on yet another platform with a different round of simplifications? Well, good luck with that attitude.

Brad_Olwin

@DmitryKo said in Suunto 7:

I simply see it as the continued abandonment of their core user base, which started with the winding down of MovesCount and changeover to Sports Tracker which resulted in a loss of some features - and now what’s left of the former functionality is abandoned yet again, to be reimplemented on yet another platform with a different round of simplifications? Well, good luck with that attitude.

Huh? Are you implying the development on the S9 is dead? And, that no S9 successor is planned? I seriously doubt that. I am in the minority but I prefer SA over MC/MC app. I can draw and sync routes instantaneously, I can sync offline and I can easily upload to the 3rd party sites that I use for analysis. Soon we will have waypoints/POI and the only addition I would like to have back is planned moves. My hope is fantastic S7 sales aids the development of great watches for the smaller core base of us ultra runners.

@DmitryKo I’m leaning to either S7 getting a nice juicy price cut later in the year, or the current crop of S7 watches merely testing waters for releases down the line that would be more differentiated and have a variety of price points. Also, we are almost a month away from the official delivery. More features may still be added and a mind blowing roadmap may still be published detailing when S7 gets sensors, additional running features like route guidance and running power, FirstBeat metrics, and on.

Let’s not forget both COROS and Vantage came out fairly thin on features and added a lot after 12-18 months in the market.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@DmitryKo so you would prefer Suunto to only serve their core audience, shrink and die… As an alternative scenario to your claims.

Apparently according to your line of thinking, Suunto closes movescount etc because they are like:

Oh dear we are making so much money this is so scalable, we don’t need the extra cash kill it…

One thing I don’t and will never get. And rightfully it has been discussed many times.

Suunto’s fear is it’s own customers. Some really clever person said this once here.

FYI I do data analysis for Suunto. That is my work in $$

Saketo Nemo

@Brad_Olwin said in Suunto 7:

La mia speranza è che le fantastiche vendite S7 aiutino lo sviluppo di grandi orologi per la base più piccola di noi ultra runner.

Fenr1r

@Brad_Olwin Cores can shift. Once upon a time, hikers and backpackers were the core (and possibly only) base for Suunto (on land). Relatively cheap to maintain, that primary focus was discarded, existing functions deprecated.

Suunto might dominate among ultra runners today but a) that does not necessarily hold true against competition for tomorrow and b) the ardency of support among such primo athletes may not be as core (to Suunto’s time-management priorities) as the sheer numbers of sales elsewhere and their possibly fast-changing priorites.

As the more numerous ultras supplanted the backwoods roamers, so the demands of the even greater hordes (Suunto hopes) of WearOS folk may just supplant the time and effort they have for those long endurance specimens such as yourself.

But for today, you have two spiffy Suuntos to enjoy.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r yup.

Also what one should think is that if, from that small base lets say, one needs to bring more things to them, then well, he needs also to burn more.

Trust me, I would not be with Suunto, if Adventure was not in the DNA.

Apparently one would not believe me but well here is a very good argument. Come to visit. Join the summit.

The people that work at Suunto are very very close tight to adventure.

Feel free to ask for some of the public profiles (twitter,strava etc) and even “spy” on testing etc.

Bulkan

@NickK Yep, I will stop here to don’t go off topic… you know…

I like the Suunto 7 excepts the sync with google fit and not with suunto app as a hub to share android or iOS.

The screen is gorgeous. The maps… I only can dream with maps in the next Suunto watches. The garmin maps are useless for me. The waypoints are so tiny than aren’t useful.

I remember some friends saying they wanted and apple watch but with the hardware of suunto. Well, now they have the hardware, I hope the software would be solid.

Bulkan

@oeagleo You are missing the ouraring hahaha… Seriously, I like to keep all my heart data and the suunto tracking is frustrating for me. I would like to keep the time in bed in Health in iOS.

Bulkan

@Brad_Olwin Don´t play with my heart… waypoints soon, please don’t…

@Bulkan said in Suunto 7:

@NickK I like the Suunto 7 excepts the sync with google fit and not with suunto app as a hub to share android or iOS.

I’m willing to bet this is a temporary solution to get the watch out sooner. And by sooner, I mean now. Start generating buzz when there’s CES going. Who knows? Maybe there are other surprises from competitors Suunto wants to front-run?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Bulkan that indeed as well I dont know… (Applehealthkit)

Luís Pinto

@TELE-HO me neither but is always inactive by default so no worry.