Suunto 7

DmitryKo

My hope is fantastic S7 sales aids the development of great watches for the smaller core base of us ultra runners

We shall see. From my previous experience, a new Suunto platform means impending end of active development for their current platform.

@NickK said in Suunto 7:

More features may still be added and a mind blowing roadmap may still be published

Suunto is known to continuously underdeliver on software side, so I wouldn’t count on exciting new features if they are not explicitly promised at the time of announcement. The initial list is quite underwhelming, the most notable omissions being no external sensors and watch face customizeability.
Everything else that’s exciting comes from WearOS and not the Suunto application/platform - and while WearOS could be tweaked to offer decent battery life, given enough development effort from Google and new hardware from Qualcomm, it’s just not there yet.

Bulkan

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Yes, it is AppleHealthkit, Suunto app sends the heart data but not the sleeping data, I don’t know why but is the only app of sports in iOS than have this approach. If the sleep data is in suunto app, why don’t send it to healthkit? Then I could turn off the 24/7 tracking in my s9b

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Not to dismiss your (or the Finns’ legendarily demonstrative) passion at all but “Adventure” is so subjective. Parachuting? Pushing yourself to the edge of physical exhaustion? Trying a new flavor of yoghurt?* Putting yourself days from the nearest electricity or phone signal … but merely walking there? Entering the WearOS market?

It would be vindictive (and probably short-sighted) to wish Suunto to “shrivel and die” but when the company’s idea of “Adventure” moves away from their conception, quite a few alt-adventurers will probably laugh wryly and move to Garmin.

Let not Suunto’s “Adventure” be a run around the park, listening to tracks, updating Facebook and NFC-ing a latte. Nothing wrong with most of that but “adventure”?

Used a lot in food advertising. And Camel cigarettes - but at least there was actually an element of personal risk.

[Edited to change “edge of physical exertion” to “edge of physical exhaustion”. I’m not quite that lazy, honestly.]

DmitryKo

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I would be very grateful if you refrain yourself from employing straw man argument in the future. Thank you.

Nevertheless I appreciate your assumption that Suunto’s dissatisfied customers are the greatest threat to the company. This may explain why maintaining their current user base is not a priority for them.

Suunto is known to continuously underdeliver on software side,

FirstBeat metrics added to S9 even though they were never-ever promised, simply because people whined real load around these forums. Not to mention workout targets enhancements, time field on all screens, graphic screens in sport mode customization that wasn’t there in the days of MC, GLONASS/Galileo support, and many other things none of which came when S9 was launched.

The initial list is quite underwhelming, the most notable omissions being no external sensors and watch face customizeability.

True on sensors though again, it’s too early. Watch face customization though, seriously? This is a bone fide WearOS watch. You can install, run, and customize any watch face supported on WearOS to the extent possible on WearOS. Or develop your own. Also, check out DCR’s walkthrough on YT where he clearly shows that even the new heatmap watch face from Suunto can be customized.

Everything else that’s exciting comes from WearOS and not the Suunto application

OK, the hate is strong with you. You went full dark side.

Offline maps are part of WearOS? Automatic download of current location maps for offline use is WearOS? Popularity heatmaps you can use to plan your route? That spiffy workout app that’s a good chunk of the entire S9 functionality? Automatic flow of your workouts to Suunto app and all connected services? Maps inside workout screens including back-to-start navigation? Additional options like sunlight boost and maps rendering?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@DmitryKo said in Suunto 7:

I think I am not doing this nor am I implying that

dissatisfied customers are the greatest threat to the company. This may explain why maintaining their current user base is not a priority for them.

this is quite OT to discuss here, I ll put my self away from this thread for a bit. No worries really.

All the best

Mi_chael

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 7:

@silentvoyager S9 is still the flagship and Suunto Plus is underdev 100%

Suunto Plus (the marketing term) one could call just apps. I can via a toolkit atm send apps to my S9 but but but that toolkit is very far away from being public / decent API / Documentation stage.

When and what are will be announced new « app » in Suunto Plus?

Do you have clues about the survey results?

pilleus

A great report for German users …

https://www.uhrenundtouren.com/de/die-suunto-7/

Bulkan

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Please…

pilleus

Hands-on from Gerald Zhang-Schmidt

https://youtu.be/fxufn7wT8DE

Luís Pinto

@Mi_chael I think it’s a process ongoing and not closed, because survey is active in suunto webpage: https://www.suunto.com/pt-pt/Content-pages/suuntoplus/

freeheeler

@pilleus
EVERYtime I see this commercial I think it is Suunto

zhang965

@pilleus said in Suunto 7:

Hands-on from Gerald Zhang-Schmidt

https://youtu.be/fxufn7wT8DE

The worst reviewer…

Brad_Olwin

@Fenr1r What @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said. Suunto still makes excellent compasses and Dive watches. Their diving platforms were introduced prior to the Vector. During the time Suunto has produced mountaineering and adventure watches there have been many forays into luxury watches. That never stopped them from evolving the adventure watches. I had an X9 and an X10i, believe me, the S9 is a more capable adventure watch.

The Suunto testers and Suunto folks are more oriented toward adventure, I think that is evident from the Suunto Summit as opposed to Garmin hosting running events. It is also evident from what I know of the individuals.

Suunto is not a large company compared to Garmin and I understand the need to grow their base users, but their core is part of their heritage and I doubt this will change.

Fenr1r

@Brad_Olwin You are, of course, right about the compasses (I have a couple), dive computers and earlier luxury watches. As I mentioned in a reply to @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos, you’ll be fine so long as Suunto’s definition of “adventure” contains yours. But they have withdrawn features supporting other “adventures” than ultras. No reason to think it would happen tomorrow but you do good work keeping your profile high. If the S7 represents a success beyond the level of prior luxury niche sales and Suunto finds itself busier on the line, who knows?

@Brad_Olwin or @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos : does S7 have intervals similar to Spartan and S series? What about workout / intensity targets? Much obliged.

Egika

@zhang965 said in Suunto 7:

@pilleus said in Suunto 7:

Hands-on from Gerald Zhang-Schmidt

https://youtu.be/fxufn7wT8DE

The worst reviewer…

🤪
Sitting in a hotel bed in China…

But coming back to my question that has not been answered yet.
Can the Suunto watch app be used on other WearOS devices?

Brad_Olwin

@NickK There is a Running Interval Mode but no automatic intervals as yet. Three weeks before release.

jw cou

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 7:

all the time the powesaving on

do you still have the pretty watch face, access to / update of google fit (step counter & moving time), access to the Suunto WearOS tiles with summary of activities, and can you still play music with powersaving = ON?
And I assume you need to remove the powersaving when you want to start an activity, download maps or sync with SA.
If that’s correct, I would definitely use the S7 like that!

zhang965

@Egika said in Suunto 7:

@zhang965 said in Suunto 7:

@pilleus said in Suunto 7:

Hands-on from Gerald Zhang-Schmidt

https://youtu.be/fxufn7wT8DE

The worst reviewer…

🤪
Sitting in a hotel bed in China…

But coming back to my question that has not been answered yet.
Can the Suunto watch app be used on other WearOS devices?

I think to become a better reviewer, he has to change his name…