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Software update 2.11.38 for S5/S9

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    Brad_Olwin Moderator @Łukasz Szmigiel
    last edited by 26 Mar 2020, 13:50

    @Łukasz-Szmigiel I disagree as where I live BeiDou shows little to no improvement over GPS only. Gallileo does nothing for me except use more battery. I agree with @mountainChris, your location matters. I would not use as a general rule terrain to guide satellite choice. Try combinations where you normally exercise and you will find the best but…when you travel that might change.

    Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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      nseslija Bronze Member @clemens.renzl
      last edited by 26 Mar 2020, 15:40

      @clemens-renzl I tried it twice already, and it was bad… next time I will return to GPS only, and after that probably try BeiDou one more time… It is very possible that is location based…

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        dulko79 @isazi
        last edited by 26 Mar 2020, 20:51

        @isazi is for TP running pace mode running pod needed to have accurate pace or is gps good enough?

        App: beta
        Phone: Iphone
        iOS

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          isazi Moderator @dulko79
          last edited by 26 Mar 2020, 20:56

          @dulko79 I used it with GPS for years.

          Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

          Blog: isazi's home

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            Likarnik Bronze Member
            last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 04:56

            Just tried BeiDou on morning run, track is better than same route on wednesday morning witg GPS only (before the update) but not significaly. The distance was also only 0.01km different. Can’t wait to try it on some trails 🙂 I didn’t do anything special like waiting outside for couple of minutes, just laced my shoes outside insted inside, so maybe 30s. It got satelite fix quick.

            Also battery consuption stays the same - atleast on start of activity it showed me 30h.

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              Rob33 Bronze Member
              last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 08:40

              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I have a debate with users. Can you confirm that when using GPS + Beidou or GPS + Galiléo or + GPS + glonass for these 3 solutions,
              the watch use the 2 systems simultaneously, for example [GPS + Beidou] to gain precision,
              or choose the most efficient at a given time for example GPS or Beidou?

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                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Rob33
                last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 08:49

                @Rob33 From what I understand it does this:

                2 Systems

                System 1 GPS -> 10 satelites -> 4 have good signal / positioning
                System 2 Beidou -> 10 satelites -> 5 have good signal / positioning

                The watch will use 5+4 satelites (from both systems) to provide a location.

                The watch doesn’t go SOLO on one one system and then on the other.

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                  Rob33 Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                  last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 14:20

                  @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thank you for the answer.
                  So we should indeed be more precise with 2 coupled systems.

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                    Łukasz Szmigiel @Brad_Olwin
                    last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 14:50

                    @Brad_Olwin that’s interesting. Are you usually happy with GPS only precision and hence don’t see any significant improvements over two systems? Did you also try checking signal availability with mobile phone for example?

                    S9PP 2.43.12

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                      Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                      last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 15:04

                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos do you know if watch requires a fix from each system independently? What happens if there are 6 GPS sats available but ie. Galileo drops to 2? Will watch ignore Galileo data in such circumstances?

                      S9PP 2.43.12

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                        Egika Platinum Member
                        last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 15:18

                        Personal result after a few runs with GPS+Beidou:
                        No significant change. Track is sometimes good and sometimes worse. Like before with GPS only or GPS+Galileo.
                        Living in Northern Germany.

                        t6, S6, Elementum Terra, Ambit 3 Sapphire, Spartan Ultra Copper, Traverse Alpha, S7 Graphite LE, S9B Ambassador, S9P Granite Blue Titanium, S9PP Titanium Sand, Vertical All Black, Race Titanium Charcoal,
                        Race S All Black - Titanium Courtney
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                          surfboomerang
                          last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 17:07

                          My first test with the new firmware. I have to admit that I am not really impressed.

                          Blue: GPS
                          Green: GPS+GLONASS
                          Red: GPS+GALILEO
                          Purple: GPS+BEIDOU

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                          Especially in tight corners it failed big time

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                          OnePlus Nord 4

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                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Łukasz Szmigiel
                            last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 17:08

                            @Łukasz-Szmigiel

                            Let me help.

                            Imagine

                            1. Consider that all systems are fused into 1 and the chip selects the best satellites.
                            2. Each system has a different language “quircks” etc. So each system needs special treatment.
                            3. As said in one, after this treatment all are treated as the same. You can have GPS+BEIDOU and actually never connect to BEIDOU (or in a few cases) if their signal is not ok.

                            Where things get more haywire is when signal starts to drop.

                            As explained in 1, the watch will try to get the best SNR etc. Will that be Gali, Glo, GPS etc? It depends to the SNR etc they report.

                            I tried to make this simple and perhaps I have done some mistake or omitted something so please if anyone sees something wrong correct me.

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                            Creator of Quantified-Self.io
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                              Brad_Olwin Moderator @Łukasz Szmigiel
                              last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 17:23

                              @Łukasz-Szmigiel said in Software update 2.11.38 for S5/S9:

                              @Brad_Olwin that’s interesting. Are you usually happy with GPS only precision and hence don’t see any significant improvements over two systems? Did you also try checking signal availability with mobile phone for example?

                              Yes, I have checked with an iPhone app. I am best covered by GPS, the others might help depending on the time of day but my results with GPS don’t show advantages with other satellite systems engaged.

                              Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                Brad_Olwin Moderator @Likarnik
                                last edited by 27 Mar 2020, 17:27

                                @Likarnik Be careful with battery consumption estimates. I believe this has been tweaked or fixed but what the watch reported for me was not what I observed with 2 satellite systems running. I have 2 S9s and will try testing this some and see if the battery reporting is accurate for GPS only vs. GPS + additional satellites. @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos may know more than I do about this.

                                Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                  isazi Moderator
                                  last edited by 28 Mar 2020, 11:34

                                  Went for my first running with GPS+Beidou, got an amazing track in Amsterdam. I was running with one watch only, so I don’t have anything to compare to, but looking at the satellite view the track is exactly where I was (maybe in a couple of spots went few meters on the side of where I was actually running, but that happened literally once or twice in one hour).

                                  Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

                                  Blog: isazi's home

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                                    surfboomerang @isazi
                                    last edited by 28 Mar 2020, 16:08

                                    @isazi I wish I could say the same. I went windsurfing today and recorded two tracks. One with GALILEO and one with GLONASS, Both are horrible. Huge speed wobbles and spikes.
                                    I even think that today the watch recorded the worst tracks since I bought it one and a half year ago. 😞

                                    Suunto Vertical Titanium Solar
                                    OnePlus Nord 4

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                                      isazi Moderator @surfboomerang
                                      last edited by 28 Mar 2020, 16:31

                                      @surfboomerang I’ll be wearing two watches tomorrow for a long walk, let’s see how it goes.

                                      Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

                                      Blog: isazi's home

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                                        A Former User @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                        last edited by 28 Mar 2020, 16:51

                                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thanks. I think it also makes no sense to compare same route on different days with GPSonly and BEIDOU and compare. Differences could also come with GPSonly on both days due to different satellite situation (also within GPSonly) on different days… Right?

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                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest
                                          last edited by 28 Mar 2020, 17:03

                                          @mountainChris yes. Even with wearing 2 same watches with same systems at the same hand

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