Software update 2.11.38 for S5/S9

freeheeler

@Michał-Rudzki
yes, I assume you’re right. The disappointment of Spartan users proofs that all improvements are taken onto a new watch generation. An already sold watch does not print any money

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Michał-Rudzki said in Software update 2.11.38 for S5/S9:

developers on desk nothing

Really?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO What do you mean?

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
I can’t recall details, but I could search for them… I just remember people asking for improvements and further updates on Spartans that were buggish from early days and then came S9 and Spartan users are jealous about stuff that’s improving on S9 (that was not there from the beginning in S9 either but is there now) and so on…
I mean, we are not asking for rocket science, we are asking for slightely more customization of the menu and button behaviour… or at least a lockbutton.

About testing, I can not judge. I know that there are testers and I know that mistakes happen during development that you can’t discover sometimes even with 4 eyes principle.

It’s nice that GPS is being further improved though. I can imagine that’s very close to rocket science! But why not such simple things like customized buttons? Every swimmer, surfer and general watersports athlete would appreciate that… and people that wear the watch casually together with gloves.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO yeah but those are only assumptions right ?

What defines what is easy to implement ?

And if yes (being easy) why not?

Like there is a person that says:

According to the guys on the web and our customer feedback, it’s easy to implement x.
But we looked to it and they were right and we decided to not do it, just to irritate them.

Get my point here ?

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
hmm… no? not no because I don’t want to, honest no.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO I dont get it, what’s wrong ?

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
I mean you are the best example yourself, right?
there’s QS and people ask for this and that to improve QS, to have more values to have a map, to have a connection between graph and track, to stack graphs, to do anything that people have in mind and you just do it… there’s even crop AND merge in QS.

And Suunto is not able to setup button customization and a lockbutton?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO yeah ok in this sense I get it. I really really get it

However, even this change, since its not well requested, is not made (at least with this FW).

That said we are in some hard time’s that “things are cut off”.

Don’t get me wrong. I am speaking very very very friendly tone wise. It does take a good effort to sync settings over watch/web now-a-days that things need to be HW wise tested (aka machines doing what people would press on a watch).

I just wanted to share the above publicly and to you only for helping. I am not debating Please people take it easy.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO To add, Suunto prefers to support an update that is well tested rather a wider range of x,y that ain’t.

At these times well, I think this is self evident right ?

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
yes absolutely, don’t get me wrong either I’m not mad, just a bit surprised.
But it is as you said, things are getting a bit slower these days and I understand that completely. Health and safety first.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@TELE-HO its funny as the problem is not per se “developers remote work”, but even testers cannot run outside

dulko79

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos strap material has such influence on ohr readings? Is it because Nylon provides better tightness? Was it just for you better ohr or also for others?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@dulko79 you should consider that OHR / The WAtch the less it wobbles the better it works.

That depends on the person of course but imo silicone are not the best in line. Too much wobble at least for suunto that have more “heavy watches”. due to that nylon and velcro can be adjusted to not wobble depending on how you move your arms.

of course , I bet the majority of people can have a good OHR from silicon but not me

Fenr1r

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Software update 2.11.38 for S5/S9:

I bet the majority of people can have a good OHR from silicon but not me

Some folks are just halfway between holes. I get that.

not well requested

So … in the case of button customization and a lockbutton (and before the Current Unpleasantness), what would “well requested” have looked like? How did any other request reach implementation? Number threshhold + market research vector priority?

freeheeler

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
I’m glad we are still allowed to go outside for running and cycling on our own with distance to other people. But if people keep hiking in huge groups in the alps it could be adapted, too. If that happens I’ve got to live on my TRX.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Interesting… I tried all sorts of tightness… A tiny bit lose, tight, really right. Left arm, right arm… Waiting on a start screen for it to settle and lock… Some runs are fine and then just when I’m about to breathe a sign of relief, the HR goes off the rails. Sometimes in the middle of a run. For no discernable reason.

I’d definitely take 10% hit for better HR. Hell, I’d take 20%. I have S7 now for daily wear. As a training watch, with activity tracking and notifications off, S9 lasts forever.

Likarnik

But there are some changes on OHR side? Or it is just a coincidence that I had lowest average sleeping HR this night? Nothing special, slept good as normally, training is also consistent, no excessive rest. Will see tomorrow

Also min HR in HR graph is lower than normally… But that is good, I think it was giving me too high values compared to HR strap readings after I wake up. So far so good

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Fenr1r Look up to some time ago (and still kinda) this forum is not for watch feature requests. I do from time to time collect watch feedback but not officially and I do ask “why/when” a feature is missing etc.

For example I asked just yesteday about the buttons lock and so on. Compared to other requests (from care and cross channel) indeed this is not on the top list. Easy todo? perhaps. But Iam not the one that decides. I can be a remdinder for PO to put that feature in the queue but only that.

Makes sense?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Likarnik No OHR FW changes in this release