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    pilleus @Steff
    last edited by pilleus 6 Aug 2021, 20:09 8 Jun 2021, 20:08

    @steff said in Battery LIfe:

    altimeter barometer

    Via sideload? I think the app from xda is not the best solution for the battery.

    I use a barometer based altimeter without location service and no additional battery usage.

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      Steff @pilleus
      last edited by 8 Jun 2021, 20:21

      @pilleus yes, the one from XDA, sideloaded.

      Which baramoter app do you use?

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        pilleus @Steff
        last edited by 8 Jun 2021, 20:31

        @steff

        https://forum.suunto.com/topic/3722/suunto-7/1025?_=1623142824273

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          Nigel Taylor 0 Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
          last edited by 8 Jun 2021, 20:35

          @brad_olwin said in Battery LIfe:

          @steff From json files.

          Excuse my ignorance, but is there a way to enable or show this, I’d love to see battery estimate data against my activities.

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            Brad_Olwin Moderator @Nigel Taylor 0
            last edited by 8 Jun 2021, 21:19

            @nigel-taylor-0 You have to download json files, this can be done on Android but not on iOS AFAIK. I have access to these as a tester but do not know how to download them on Android, ask @Steff

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              Mff73 @Nigel Taylor 0
              last edited by 9 Jun 2021, 04:51

              @nigel-taylor-0
              https://forum.suunto.com/post/33052

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                Nigel Taylor 0 Bronze Member @Mff73
                last edited by 9 Jun 2021, 11:29

                @mff73 So the JSON from the phone rather than the JSON exportable from QS already.
                Cheers, that explains why I couldn’t see it.

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                  Steff
                  last edited by Steff 6 Sept 2021, 11:46 9 Jun 2021, 11:45

                  The easiest way to extract the json files is the following:

                  1. Make sure that the activity is synced in SuuntoApp

                  2. Install any file explorer which allow viewing of hidden system files.
                    I use X-plore (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lonelycatgames.Xplore&hl=ro&gl=US) but there are many other options on PlayStore

                  3. Go to /Internal Storage/Android/data/com.stt.android.suunto/files/smlzip/

                  4. There you will find the activities synced in SuuntoApp, with a zip archive for every activity, named with the following format “entry_-1111111_1111.zip”
                    The easiest way to identify an activity is to look at the date of archive file, assuming you synced the activity in the same day.

                  5. In every archive there are 2 files samples.json and summary.json
                    Extract the “sample.json” somewhere.
                    The simplest way is to copy the entire arhive somewhere (eg. Internal storage/Download) and extract it using any file explorer.

                  6. Upload the sample.json in https://quantified-self.io/

                  These steps are working only for Android.
                  For iOS I don’t think it’s possible to extract these files.

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                    Mff73 @Nigel Taylor 0
                    last edited by 9 Jun 2021, 11:59

                    @nigel-taylor-0
                    Yes, from the phone (android phone, as well explained by @Steff )

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                      Steff @Brad_Olwin
                      last edited by 9 Jun 2021, 19:21

                      @brad_olwin I uninstalled all 3rd party apps and watchfaces and made the exactly same test as yesterday on the same route.

                      These are the results

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                      So, almost exactly the same, even a little worse.

                      I ran out of ideas …

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                        Jamie BG Bronze Member @Steff
                        last edited by 10 Jun 2021, 11:16

                        @steff
                        Shouldn’t make an difference but worth a try.
                        In your gesture settings do you have tilt to wake on? If so try it with touch to wake only, and see if that makes a difference.
                        And of course lock your keys while tracking.

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                          Steff @Jamie BG
                          last edited by 10 Jun 2021, 11:31

                          @jamie-bg tilt-to-wake is disabled.

                          I will also try with the keys locked.

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                            Brad_Olwin Moderator @Steff
                            last edited by 10 Jun 2021, 19:00

                            @steff If you are on Best GPS I think 7h is ok, I am getting a little more than that but not much.

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                              Steff @Brad_Olwin
                              last edited by 11 Jun 2021, 11:40

                              @brad_olwin

                              On Suunto 7 product page it is stated: With an outdoor workout using the GPS, the Suunto 7 can last for up to 12 hours

                              I suppose it’s with Best GPS because on the bottom of the page they say: **All testing was carried out by Suunto in December 2019 using pre-production Suunto 7 devices with pre-release software.
                              Good GPS mode was introduced with September 2020 update.

                              I’m really curious how Suunto managed to obtain 12 hours of battery.

                              Another funny part is this: The Suunto 7 can keep going for up to 7 hours during outdoor training with GPS and maps, assuming the watch map is on for 10 seconds once every 3 minutes

                              7 hours with checking the map 10sec every 3 minutes ??
                              Really ?!?

                              I find it very troubling that a company like Suunto use such misleading claims.

                              Usually I expect this from companies whom their client base doesn’t care to much about the battery during activity (e.g. Samsung, fashion Wear OS, etc.).

                              This is why other sport oriented companies (e.g. Coros, Polar, Garmin) tends to underestimate their battery claims, because they know how important it’s the battery for their client base.

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                                Egika Platinum Member @Steff
                                last edited by 11 Jun 2021, 11:44

                                @steff some early tests I did, showed, that battery consumption was depending on the workout type.
                                Riding a bike made the battery last around 15-18h
                                Running was more in the range of 8h
                                And when hiking I got less than that. Being stationary or slow seems to eat more.

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                                  Steff @Egika
                                  last edited by 11 Jun 2021, 12:03

                                  @egika so I guess, 7 hours with checking the map 10sec every 3 minutes was with a really fast bike 😀

                                  There is nowhere in the product page mentioned that you can obtain those claims only with fast moving sports and for the rest you get a lot less.
                                  As I said…misleading claims.

                                  And of course, no one really expected to get the maximum 12 hours claimed.
                                  But you hope to get something like 9-10 hours in optimal conditions, not to struggle to barely get half(6 hours).

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                                    A Former User @Steff
                                    last edited by A Former User 6 Nov 2021, 12:54 11 Jun 2021, 12:53

                                    @steff said in Battery LIfe:

                                    On Suunto 7 product page it is stated: With an outdoor workout using the GPS, the Suunto 7 can last for up to 12 hours

                                    I suppose it’s with Best GPS because on the bottom of the page they say: **All testing was carried out by Suunto in December 2019 using pre-production Suunto 7 devices with pre-release software.
                                    Good GPS mode was introduced with September 2020 update.

                                    So, they updated a battery claim in the page header based on 09/2020 firmware improvements and forgot the fine print? Happens to everyone. Especially people at the marketing department who are hardly ever known for attention to details. Otherwise they’d be working in the accounting department.

                                    (My sincere apologies to the marketing people 😊 )

                                    And @Egika is right: your rate of battery consumption will be directly proportional to GPS activity. Biking will eat less than running which will eat less than hiking. Part of it is due to speed and number of GPS fixes needed, part of it is due to increased demands of a typical trail (unless you are hiking in the desert), with lots of obstruction all around.

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                                      Spree Bronze Member @Steff
                                      last edited by Spree 6 Nov 2021, 12:59 11 Jun 2021, 12:58

                                      @steff This is why other sport oriented companies (e.g. Coros, Polar, Garmin) tends to underestimate their battery claims, because they know how important it’s the battery for their client base.

                                      This is blatantly false, though ;). https://www.nakan.ch/wp/2020/02/03/autonomie-des-montres-cardio-gps-promesses-et-realite/.

                                      Additionally, Suunto 7 is not really in the same category of other Suunto watches - this idea that there are “customer types” per brand, and not per product, baffles me a bit. Does it mean brands shouldn’t venture into different segments, because “their customers” expect something else?

                                      With Suunto 7 you will never get more than 7-8 hours with low moving sports with Best GPS. As @NickK correctly said, clearly the “testing” part was not updated - what I suspect is that adding the “good” GPS setting was part of “catch up” to the original battery duration claims. If it was meant to be “up to 12 hours with Best GPS” it would obviously say so - since it would be a selling point.

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                                        Steff @Spree
                                        last edited by Steff 6 Nov 2021, 13:21 11 Jun 2021, 13:20

                                        @NickK @spree

                                        so let me see if I understand your logic: they launched the watch in January 2020 saying the watch can get up to 12 hours of battery because they were thinking that 9 month later they will release a feature (Good GPS) that can obtain those claims ?
                                        And after they released this feature, they innocently forgot to update the product page to mention that you can obtain those results only with that feature ?

                                        And this is an OK approach, right ?

                                        I’m amazed of the mentality of the users from this forum.
                                        Every time someone is complaining about something, there is someone who find an explanation and an excuse for it, only to not acknowledge the watch deficiencies.

                                        You need a feature that a watch doesn’t have it ?
                                        It’s WearOS you can install an app for that.

                                        You get only 6 hours of battery during activity ?
                                        It’s because you installed an app.
                                        I get 10 hours in the same conditions.
                                        Try using 10 sec GPS + FusedTrack.

                                        You used FusedTrack is a total mess?
                                        You are moving to slowly.

                                        The altimeter is wrong?
                                        You wear it wrongly.

                                        The watch specs are misleading?
                                        Are the poor marketing guys.

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                                          Spree Bronze Member @Steff
                                          last edited by Spree 6 Nov 2021, 13:27 11 Jun 2021, 13:26

                                          @steff said in Battery LIfe:

                                          And this is an OK approach, right ?

                                          Not really, it’s not what I said.

                                          I explained how I think things came to be. Also, I explained that assuming that based on the current information the “up to 12 hours” claim is with GPS best is being intentionally naive. Does the Suunto 9 page say that you can get 120 hours and you expect it to be with GPS = best? Obviously not. The order in which things were done (and the fact that most likely the “up to 12 hours” claim was probably wrong/misleading, or at least more out of tune with reality, before the 2020 update) is irrelevant as of right now.

                                          So yeah, you can be angry - but it comes at least in part from betrayed expecatations placed on some misguided faith that marketing doesn’t play a role. It does, and while we can ignore it it doesn’t lead to any improvement in our experience as users.

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