So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?
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@jsuarez said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:
I just can’t help but thing that this nuking of perfectly viable and useful services (web frontend with meaningful data and analysis tools) and features (apps and possibility of reliably sync via Bluetooth for some models) is really a bad move “against” Suunto’s own customers. Some of them long-time customers.
To me it‘s as if you bought a car that was advertised as ready to wear winter tyres (Mc apps) but then some years down the road the brand decides that ‘Hey! I have realised that you don’t need winter tyres! Since my new models will not be winter-tyre compatible, I’m not going to provide them to you anymore, even if I still have aplenty in store (source code of MC web and apps) and you bought the car for this particular feature or this was a valuable aspect for you. Don’t look at me in anger, because your car works perfectly and exactly as intended… BTW, are you sure you don’t want to change to a summer-tyre-only car? I can offer you a little discount.”
Hilarious, but, to me, true and sad.
And what still amazes me is the level of self contempt of some users here. Just look at the messages referring to Suunto 9 when the issue at stake is the features of other generations that have gone down the drain. Users of ambits and Spartans don’t need and probably won’t want to buy another watch. They want to use what they bought -at a hefty price tag…- as it was advertised.
Another example: VW’s dieselgate. Would any of the users in this forum be happy to have his/her engine’s performance turned down -in some cases below an acceptable level for the size and weight of the car- because the company made a bad decision? I don’t want to hear about newer VW engines. Affected users don’t have that and probably won’t be willing to buy another car to solve a change induced by the company itself.
So to me, the lesson learned here is that even if I were to buy a new Suunto, I would never ever buy a watch that has been on the market for a couple of years. All of a sudden I would be subject to losing precious features for which I paid big dollar.
Although I totally understand you, I might tell you, that demand for perfect product/service in the long term will take your more energy than bringing advantages.
For sure VW made big mess, but tomorrow it will be another brand. BMW had the problems with chains and didn’t cover the costs, Mercedes also had some issues with first CDIs, and so on…
Brands most of the time and ran by kpis towards money, and so “shit happens” for the costumer. And we live in a consumist era, so people will move over very fast and will buy the next model or other brand or whatever.I am not telling that we should accept and don’t tell anything, but in case of Suunto, I believe the time is already gone. In fact much as changed since first annoucement of Movescount closing
To those who bought the watch with certain specs announced, have you contacted support claiming that? WIth that in mind, maybe some solution come.
I believe, suunto updated the spec sheet by the end of last year.
Also this change has long been communicated, by emails, on site, on movescount app, here, dcrainmaker, etc
It was 2 years ago, not “all of sudden”.On my opinion sometimes the communications missed some clarity, but at least everytime I asked by email for more info, suunto has given it.
If the grass is greener on the other side, well we can go, we are not tied to a brand.
Be sure that if the brand supports you for long time (like I see garmin doing it) the experience is good (regarding some units, not the case). And if the watch is super duper and support is also super duper (like coros seem), that it will stay like this for long term and that these features are well implemented.Regarding the users suggesting S9B, maybe they are giving their best, being helpful, suggesting a watch that with the discount we have can be “attractive”.
If doesn’t suit our needs, we don’t buy it. And if we are not happy with our watch/service provided, we should contact the brand.For now, on my side, I prefer to stay with a watch , which even with less features than when I bought, is still very precise, usable and records good moments for me, than jump into some other one that may give me more annoyances than pleasures.
The brands are managed by people that “do what they think is the best”. If it doesn’t fit us clients, well, we switch…
This movescount closing made me choose a device (Edge 530) that doesn’t relly on app/site to be managed. Even when garmin connect was down, I was still able to do everything. The tradeback is that it is complicated to use. Sometimes I ask myself why I bought it and not a wahoo…
Like a friend of mine says, you don’t have the perfect device. -
@riphraph said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:
@jsuarez Everything you say is why I’m now a happy Coros Vertix user. I’ll add that if it hadn’t been for the Movescount debacle I would definitely have stayed with the brand when upgrading from my Spartan. But I refuse to subsidise the contemptuous way Suunto treats its oldest and most loyal customers.
And what do you know, turns out there’s other companies out there making great watches.
Happy to hear that you are happy with your Coros, but, and a big but, if you were using a Spartan your complains are not the same than the people that are using an Ambit.
With the Spartan you have lost the “big screen” analysis, you can use free 3rd parties, and with Coros you don’t have native “big screen” app or web, only mobile app or 3rd parties, same than Suunto. It would be different if you had switched to polar or Garmin that have web platform.
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I decided to switch to polar. Hardware is not as good, but there is proper website and the 24/7 HR and sleep tracking is fantastic.
In my case I bought my SSWHRBaro in Nov for Xmas present, unwrapped it and then next month or the second next month the transition was announced. That’s quite all of a sudden by my standards.
While I feel for the Ambit users (yes, also the ones buying a dumbed down device right now from the brand’s web shop as we speak), as they are the most affected ones, for me the loss of McWeb and clear misinformation of what would come out of that transition for over 2 years was more than enough. My 500€ deserved better, or at least I have to work harder to earn them.
And I did try to contact support from within Suunto app when the final decommission of MC was announced but never received a reply.
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I have a question:
Do the new Suunto watches use the same Suunto app to see the moves than Ambits?If yes, I think this is a very bad option for the new watches. The mobile screen display is too small to see the graphics.
Are there any plans to see Suunto graphs in a PC screen in a Suunto web plataform?? It’s ridiculous to depend on third parties
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@ramón-castañer-botella said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:
Do the new Suunto watches use the same Suunto app to see the moves than Ambits?
What if it is different?
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@sartoric I have edited the post.
The difference would be the screen size. In a PC it is much bigger -
I have seen today that in some users groups of site Movescount (for example “SUUNTO AMBIT FAMILY USERS”), there are many Moves that have been uploaded today (12.2.2021).
Has Movescount closing the same date for all the world or have these users direct call with God???
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@ramón-castañer-botella For me the Suunto App is perfect, what I need when I have it in my pocket. Movescount was not sufficient for my analysis and I think for a lot of individuals. So, third party sites with much more sophisticated analyses were available. Now it is trivial to sync to those partners. I see this as a win, much better than the more difficult transfers with MC (at least I often had issues and not much variety). The routing on MC was ok but I used 3rd party sites because I need slope angle shading etc. That works much better now for importing into Suunto app. I guess it depends on your perspective, I can use a PC when I need it and not when I don’t.
Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing
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@brad_olwin Why do we have to make a choice, one or the other? Correct me if I’m wrong, but with good old MC you were able to sync to some of those 3rd party services, right?
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@ramón-castañer-botella Maybe 3rd party APIs are still open and those users used a bridge app such as syncmytracks or similar… who knows.
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@brad_olwin Yes, I see your point.
But if you are going to buy a new watch and you would choose between two brands one of them with a complete web site analysis with beautiful graphs and the other with only mobile graphs and depending on 3rd parties, what would you choose???
I think the answer is obvious.
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@jsuarez Maybe, who knows…
If 3rd party APIs are still open this is the solution to our problems.
I don’t think so. Perhaps there are some Movescount servers that are still working.
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@jsuarez , APIs are still open, as far as I can tell, only app keys of Movescount mobile apps and Movesöink2 were revoked. You can browse throuh those Moves - https://www.movescount.com/groups/group2318-Suunto_Ambit_family_users - some are just manually entered, some are indeed synced by 3rd parties (like MXActivityMover) and some are from Spartans / S-line and probably synced through some older Suuntolink.
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@ramón-castañer-botella said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:
I think the answer is obvious
Sure.
The watch lead my choice -
@jsuarez Not all that well and I always had problems with routes, on a Mac they were problematic, especially long routes. Many times they never worked and that was frustrating.
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@ramón-castañer-botella
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@brad_olwin Then that part clearly needed rework. No wonder you are happy with the new system.
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@ramón-castañer-botella said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:
@brad_olwin Yes, I see your point.
But if you are going to buy a new watch and you would choose between two brands one of them with a complete web site analysis with beautiful graphs and the other with only mobile graphs and depending on 3rd parties, what would you choose???
I think the answer is obvious.
Personally, I think the Garmin graphs are pretty useless on their web site, Coros doesn’t have a website so that leaves Polar, who doesn’t have navigation. I don’t need beautiful graphs, in fact the graphs on TrainingPeaks are not that great, but the analysis and planning are first rate. So yes, my choice is obvious and I went from an Ambit3P to a Spartan Ultra (which was a mistake) and then to the S9 baro (the latter as it is perfect for ultra marathons and SkiMo), the two sports I most commonly engage in.
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Not all needs are the same.
Almost only used movescount for changing setting and apps.
I always prefered to make cycling routes on ridewithgps and now komoot (both are said to “partner” with suunto app to have integration).
Regarding training analysis, material followup I did it offline with Sporttracks, but with Suunto App I discovered runalyze and it fulfil my needs. It is almost all in one.
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@andré-faria Of course, you can use 3rd parties or even you can download the data and use a graphic PC program (Excel for example) to do your own analysis.
In fact, I can translate all my Suunto apps to Excel and make whatever I want as graphs, comparison between Moves, weekly summaries, etc.
But it is a matter of comfort to have all this possibilities in the same web site of your watch brand. And personally I prefer a better web site that a mobile app but I understand that not everybody thinks the same thing.New Suunto App has a very good point because it compares routes with the same path and put it in order by time. But I you want to look inside some of this moves individually then with the mobile app it is not comfortable. The uses of tabs in a website is be better.
