So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?

cosme.costa · 2 Dec 2021, 18:57

@riphraph said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@jsuarez Everything you say is why I’m now a happy Coros Vertix user. I’ll add that if it hadn’t been for the Movescount debacle I would definitely have stayed with the brand when upgrading from my Spartan. But I refuse to subsidise the contemptuous way Suunto treats its oldest and most loyal customers.

And what do you know, turns out there’s other companies out there making great watches.

Happy to hear that you are happy with your Coros, but, and a big but, if you were using a Spartan your complains are not the same than the people that are using an Ambit.

With the Spartan you have lost the “big screen” analysis, you can use free 3rd parties, and with Coros you don’t have native “big screen” app or web, only mobile app or 3rd parties, same than Suunto. It would be different if you had switched to polar or Garmin that have web platform.

jsuarez · 2 Dec 2021, 21:01

I decided to switch to polar. Hardware is not as good, but there is proper website and the 24/7 HR and sleep tracking is fantastic.

In my case I bought my SSWHRBaro in Nov for Xmas present, unwrapped it and then next month or the second next month the transition was announced. That’s quite all of a sudden by my standards.

While I feel for the Ambit users (yes, also the ones buying a dumbed down device right now from the brand’s web shop as we speak), as they are the most affected ones, for me the loss of McWeb and clear misinformation of what would come out of that transition for over 2 years was more than enough. My 500€ deserved better, or at least I have to work harder to earn them.

And I did try to contact support from within Suunto app when the final decommission of MC was announced but never received a reply.

Ramón Castañer Botella · 2 Dec 2021, 21:16

I have a question:
Do the new Suunto watches use the same Suunto app to see the moves than Ambits?

If yes, I think this is a very bad option for the new watches. The mobile screen display is too small to see the graphics.

Are there any plans to see Suunto graphs in a PC screen in a Suunto web plataform?? It’s ridiculous to depend on third parties

sartoric · 12 Feb 2021, 21:18

@ramón-castañer-botella said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

Do the new Suunto watches use the same Suunto app to see the moves than Ambits?

What if it is different?

Ramón Castañer Botella · 12 Feb 2021, 21:23

@sartoric I have edited the post.
The difference would be the screen size. In a PC it is much bigger

Ramón Castañer Botella · 12 Feb 2021, 21:31

I have seen today that in some users groups of site Movescount (for example “SUUNTO AMBIT FAMILY USERS”), there are many Moves that have been uploaded today (12.2.2021).

Has Movescount closing the same date for all the world or have these users direct call with God???

Brad_Olwin · 12 Feb 2021, 21:33

@ramón-castañer-botella For me the Suunto App is perfect, what I need when I have it in my pocket. Movescount was not sufficient for my analysis and I think for a lot of individuals. So, third party sites with much more sophisticated analyses were available. Now it is trivial to sync to those partners. I see this as a win, much better than the more difficult transfers with MC (at least I often had issues and not much variety). The routing on MC was ok but I used 3rd party sites because I need slope angle shading etc. That works much better now for importing into Suunto app. I guess it depends on your perspective, I can use a PC when I need it and not when I don’t.

jsuarez · 12 Feb 2021, 21:36

@brad_olwin Why do we have to make a choice, one or the other? Correct me if I’m wrong, but with good old MC you were able to sync to some of those 3rd party services, right?

jsuarez · 12 Feb 2021, 21:38

@ramón-castañer-botella Maybe 3rd party APIs are still open and those users used a bridge app such as syncmytracks or similar… who knows.

Ramón Castañer Botella · 2 Dec 2021, 21:46

@brad_olwin Yes, I see your point.

But if you are going to buy a new watch and you would choose between two brands one of them with a complete web site analysis with beautiful graphs and the other with only mobile graphs and depending on 3rd parties, what would you choose???

I think the answer is obvious.

Ramón Castañer Botella · 12 Feb 2021, 21:45

@jsuarez Maybe, who knows…

If 3rd party APIs are still open this is the solution to our problems.

I don’t think so. Perhaps there are some Movescount servers that are still working.

margusl · 12 Feb 2021, 21:57

@jsuarez , APIs are still open, as far as I can tell, only app keys of Movescount mobile apps and Movesöink2 were revoked. You can browse throuh those Moves - https://www.movescount.com/groups/group2318-Suunto_Ambit_family_users - some are just manually entered, some are indeed synced by 3rd parties (like MXActivityMover) and some are from Spartans / S-line and probably synced through some older Suuntolink.

sartoric · 12 Feb 2021, 21:59

@ramón-castañer-botella said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

I think the answer is obvious

Sure.
The watch lead my choice

Brad_Olwin · 12 Feb 2021, 22:05

@jsuarez Not all that well and I always had problems with routes, on a Mac they were problematic, especially long routes. Many times they never worked and that was frustrating.

freeheeler · 12 Feb 2021, 22:06

@ramón-castañer-botella
Suunto

jsuarez · 12 Feb 2021, 22:06

@brad_olwin Then that part clearly needed rework. No wonder you are happy with the new system.

Brad_Olwin · 2 Dec 2021, 22:10

@ramón-castañer-botella said in So, what are you going to do after Movescount closes?:

@brad_olwin Yes, I see your point.

But if you are going to buy a new watch and you would choose between two brands one of them with a complete web site analysis with beautiful graphs and the other with only mobile graphs and depending on 3rd parties, what would you choose???

I think the answer is obvious.

Personally, I think the Garmin graphs are pretty useless on their web site, Coros doesn’t have a website so that leaves Polar, who doesn’t have navigation. I don’t need beautiful graphs, in fact the graphs on TrainingPeaks are not that great, but the analysis and planning are first rate. So yes, my choice is obvious and I went from an Ambit3P to a Spartan Ultra (which was a mistake) and then to the S9 baro (the latter as it is perfect for ultra marathons and SkiMo), the two sports I most commonly engage in.

A Former User · 12 Feb 2021, 22:09

Not all needs are the same.
Almost only used movescount for changing setting and apps.
I always prefered to make cycling routes on ridewithgps and now komoot (both are said to “partner” with suunto app to have integration).
Regarding training analysis, material followup I did it offline with Sporttracks, but with Suunto App I discovered runalyze and it fulfil my needs. It is almost all in one.
Each one has different preferences and needs.

Ramón Castañer Botella · 13 Feb 2021, 00:54

@andré-faria Of course, you can use 3rd parties or even you can download the data and use a graphic PC program (Excel for example) to do your own analysis.
In fact, I can translate all my Suunto apps to Excel and make whatever I want as graphs, comparison between Moves, weekly summaries, etc.
But it is a matter of comfort to have all this possibilities in the same web site of your watch brand. And personally I prefer a better web site that a mobile app but I understand that not everybody thinks the same thing.

New Suunto App has a very good point because it compares routes with the same path and put it in order by time. But I you want to look inside some of this moves individually then with the mobile app it is not comfortable. The uses of tabs in a website is be better.

ollemelin · 16 Feb 2021, 05:25

@brad_olwin

Polar offers routes to the V2. Same-ish as suunto