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Suunto 9 baro very low elevation gain vs other brands

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    freeheeler
    last edited by 10 Jan 2021, 08:32

    I went backcountry skiing with my friend who has well deserved and honourable inherited my A3PS. Of course the watches were not on the same arm, hence a comparison with the slightest scientific touch isn’t possible. However I would like to mention here that we went in the exactly same ascent track and his A3PS recorded around 100m less total ascent plus had issues with the track on the first few meters.

    My takeaway is that S9B is not inaccurate at all.
    Plus: it’s crazy good to enjoy sports without having issues like these in mind 🙂 life is easier when we don’t worry

    living sideways

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      Oktan @freeheeler
      last edited by 11 Jan 2021, 15:20

      @TELE-HO Can it be that his jacket blocked the barometer hole for a small period of time, and yours didnt?

      Suunto 9 Baro Titanium & Ambit 3 Peak

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        freeheeler @Oktan
        last edited by 11 Jan 2021, 17:07

        @Oktan
        no, not on A3PS and also not possible when I check the graph

        living sideways

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          stromdiddily Gold Members
          last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 19:03

          Interesting one for me today…S9 more than doubled the ascent/descent on my route. Green graph is a lot more jagged than the typical results.

          Pouring down rain today but it was constant the whole time.

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          Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

          User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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            fazel Bronze Member @stromdiddily
            last edited by fazel 1 Dec 2021, 19:15 12 Jan 2021, 19:14

            @stromdiddily so light green is today, dark green is a track from the same route ran in the past? I see this sort of delay with FusedAlti, @Brad_Olwin has as well.

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              stromdiddily Gold Members @fazel
              last edited by stromdiddily 1 Dec 2021, 19:27 12 Jan 2021, 19:26

              @fazel green is today, yellow-ish is from three months ago on the same 7 mile route. The start looks ok tbh but the green is reporting over 1k feet of climbing and the yellow is correctly showing 500ish feet.

              Edit - QS feature request, ability to assign colors to merged tracks 😄

              Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

              User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                freeheeler @stromdiddily
                last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 19:31

                @stromdiddily
                the spike-ish graph looks like hydraulics did magic on the sensor… it’s a wild guess, but possible

                living sideways

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                  fazel Bronze Member @freeheeler
                  last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 19:33

                  @TELE-HO hydraulics = water?

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                    freeheeler @fazel
                    last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 19:41

                    @fazel
                    my assumption… pouring rain and the baro holes right next to the wrist… it seals great and the movement could create pressure that causes a down spike. once relieved it shows an up spike.
                    for our luck the recording is not set to every second as it was possible with Ambits, hence it’s somehow equalling out a bit… or let’s say it would be worse

                    living sideways

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                      Fenr1r @freeheeler
                      last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 19:47

                      @TELE-HO Sleeve pump effect?

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                        stromdiddily Gold Members @Fenr1r
                        last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:45

                        @Fenr1r That’s how I normally wear it, but you’re probably right 🤷

                        Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                        User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                          Fenr1r @stromdiddily
                          last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:52

                          @stromdiddily said in Suunto 9 baro very low elevation gain vs other brands:

                          That’s how I normally wear it

                          But you don’t normally get this distorted result in the same conditions?

                          Unless you’ve changed jacket materials or the rain on that run was unusually chubby, my beautiful theory has probably been slain by ugly fact. I’d like to be at least plausible but some other variable(s) must be at work.

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                            stromdiddily Gold Members @Fenr1r
                            last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:04

                            @Fenr1r new shake dry jacket (is quite nice actually lol)

                            Honestly it’s a one off, so not too concerned about it. I just thought it was interesting as I expected to see a super human type jump but instead saw fairly reasonable up/downs on the graph.

                            Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                            User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                              Fenr1r @stromdiddily
                              last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:07

                              @stromdiddily Hmm.

                              Maybe less chubby rain, more beady jacket. Anyway, you’re right: add it to the PNW’s supply of post-X-Files/Twin Peaks Things Of Interest.

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                                freeheeler
                                last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 14:11

                                I don’t believe that S9B has very low elevation gain… I went from about 730m to about 1’250m and the total ascent is 721m. Ok there were small dips, very very small dips. But not to a sum of 200m.
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                                living sideways

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                                  fazel Bronze Member @freeheeler
                                  last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 14:19

                                  @freeheeler what type of activity was this?

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                                    Oktan @freeheeler
                                    last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 14:46

                                    @freeheeler not sure its a good example because you went up once and went down once. in hilly routes (many ups & downs like all my routes are) I see the differences. I guess each up I loose some elevation gain.

                                    Suunto 9 Baro Titanium & Ambit 3 Peak

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                                      freeheeler @Oktan
                                      last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 15:10

                                      @Oktan
                                      actually it is a bad example as there’s nothing easier than one consecutive ascent 😉

                                      @fazel
                                      it was ski touring

                                      living sideways

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                                        fazel Bronze Member @freeheeler
                                        last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 15:31

                                        @freeheeler thanks. I was wondering if the hand motions were different (I assume they are) and that might have caused some discrepancy? It sounds like the accelerometer data is considered along with the barometer measurements when calculating accent. Others will know more.

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                                          freeheeler @fazel
                                          last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 15:38

                                          @fazel
                                          it could be possible that I’ve had a similar “setup” like @stromdiddily had recently during his run. Lot of wet stuff and the sensor holes just on top of the jackets cuff.
                                          When zooming in the graph I can see tiny spikes… maybe I should entertain myself tonight and count all the irregular deltas 😉
                                          The last couple of ski tours gave a more reasonable result. I’m not sure if it’s this. But what I actually wanted to point out is that I have the impression that S9B is not calculating way to low.

                                          living sideways

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