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Suunto 9 baro very low elevation gain vs other brands

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    fazel Bronze Member @freeheeler
    last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 19:33

    @TELE-HO hydraulics = water?

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      freeheeler @fazel
      last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 19:41

      @fazel
      my assumption… pouring rain and the baro holes right next to the wrist… it seals great and the movement could create pressure that causes a down spike. once relieved it shows an up spike.
      for our luck the recording is not set to every second as it was possible with Ambits, hence it’s somehow equalling out a bit… or let’s say it would be worse

      living sideways

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        Fenr1r @freeheeler
        last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 19:47

        @TELE-HO Sleeve pump effect?

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          stromdiddily Gold Members @Fenr1r
          last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:45

          @Fenr1r That’s how I normally wear it, but you’re probably right 🤷

          Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

          User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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            Fenr1r @stromdiddily
            last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 20:52

            @stromdiddily said in Suunto 9 baro very low elevation gain vs other brands:

            That’s how I normally wear it

            But you don’t normally get this distorted result in the same conditions?

            Unless you’ve changed jacket materials or the rain on that run was unusually chubby, my beautiful theory has probably been slain by ugly fact. I’d like to be at least plausible but some other variable(s) must be at work.

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              stromdiddily Gold Members @Fenr1r
              last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:04

              @Fenr1r new shake dry jacket (is quite nice actually lol)

              Honestly it’s a one off, so not too concerned about it. I just thought it was interesting as I expected to see a super human type jump but instead saw fairly reasonable up/downs on the graph.

              Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

              User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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                Fenr1r @stromdiddily
                last edited by 12 Jan 2021, 21:07

                @stromdiddily Hmm.

                Maybe less chubby rain, more beady jacket. Anyway, you’re right: add it to the PNW’s supply of post-X-Files/Twin Peaks Things Of Interest.

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                  freeheeler
                  last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 14:11

                  I don’t believe that S9B has very low elevation gain… I went from about 730m to about 1’250m and the total ascent is 721m. Ok there were small dips, very very small dips. But not to a sum of 200m.
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                  living sideways

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                    fazel Bronze Member @freeheeler
                    last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 14:19

                    @freeheeler what type of activity was this?

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                      Oktan @freeheeler
                      last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 14:46

                      @freeheeler not sure its a good example because you went up once and went down once. in hilly routes (many ups & downs like all my routes are) I see the differences. I guess each up I loose some elevation gain.

                      Suunto 9 Baro Titanium & Ambit 3 Peak

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                        freeheeler @Oktan
                        last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 15:10

                        @Oktan
                        actually it is a bad example as there’s nothing easier than one consecutive ascent 😉

                        @fazel
                        it was ski touring

                        living sideways

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                          fazel Bronze Member @freeheeler
                          last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 15:31

                          @freeheeler thanks. I was wondering if the hand motions were different (I assume they are) and that might have caused some discrepancy? It sounds like the accelerometer data is considered along with the barometer measurements when calculating accent. Others will know more.

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                            freeheeler @fazel
                            last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 15:38

                            @fazel
                            it could be possible that I’ve had a similar “setup” like @stromdiddily had recently during his run. Lot of wet stuff and the sensor holes just on top of the jackets cuff.
                            When zooming in the graph I can see tiny spikes… maybe I should entertain myself tonight and count all the irregular deltas 😉
                            The last couple of ski tours gave a more reasonable result. I’m not sure if it’s this. But what I actually wanted to point out is that I have the impression that S9B is not calculating way to low.

                            living sideways

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                              freeheeler @fazel
                              last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 16:44

                              @fazel
                              this graph is from a hike with poles. Hence similar movement like ski touring. When I zoom in the graph is impressively less noisy. It was a dry and sunny day. I assume that raindrops and hence molten snowflakes in combo with a garment can influence the recording.
                              I did not check the total ascent as this activity has more ups and downs plus a bike ride at the beginning and the end (and a pause for getting wet shirt changed). But just the fact that the graph has less noise is interesting, at least for me 🙂
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                                fazel Bronze Member @freeheeler
                                last edited by 15 Jan 2021, 16:49

                                @freeheeler yes - your analysis seems good.

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                                  isazi Moderator
                                  last edited by 16 Jan 2021, 16:42

                                  Today I experienced something similar to @freeheeler. I went running outside and it was snowing (first snow in a long while in Amsterdam!), and got 47/49 (ascent/descent) on a route where I usually get ~10 meters. Corrected elevation seems something like 12/13 (I did play a little bit with Runalyze).

                                  The common pattern seems to be rain/snow. First time this happen to me.

                                  Also, when I got home the altitude on the watch kept changing rapidly (-3 when I stopped the exercise, 0 when I arrived home, then -2 a minute later, +2 next time I checked, and so on).

                                  Currently the watch is taking a warm bath to calm down 🙂

                                  Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti

                                  Blog: isazi's home

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                                    freeheeler @isazi
                                    last edited by 16 Jan 2021, 16:43

                                    @isazi said in Suunto 9 baro very low elevation gain vs other brands:

                                    the watch is taking a warm bath

                                    you have to treat nicely what you love 😀

                                    living sideways

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                                      Oktan
                                      last edited by 5 Apr 2021, 09:44

                                      Hi again,
                                      Sorry, but I’m still annoyed by this issue.
                                      Both S9B and A3P on handle bar, recorded exactly the same ride: S9B recorded 539m elevation gain and A3P recorded 641m.
                                      How could it be?

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                                      Suunto 9 Baro Titanium & Ambit 3 Peak

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                                        A Former User @Oktan
                                        last edited by 5 Apr 2021, 10:28

                                        @oktan said in Suunto 9 baro very low elevation gain vs other brands:

                                        Hi again,
                                        Sorry, but I’m still annoyed by this issue.
                                        Both S9B and A3P on handle bar, recorded exactly the same ride: S9B recorded 539m elevation gain and A3P recorded 641m.
                                        How could it be?

                                        20210405_084146.jpg

                                        both calibrated at the begining of the activity?

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                                          Oktan @Guest
                                          last edited by 5 Apr 2021, 11:09

                                          @andré-faria Yes.

                                          Suunto 9 Baro Titanium & Ambit 3 Peak

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