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Calories Burned - Overstated

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    stromdiddily Gold Members
    last edited by 21 Dec 2020, 20:48

    Been wearing my S9B and my Whoop 24/7 for about a week now using the Whoop as a HRM when performing activities.

    Results have been that I’m consistently seeing about double the calories burned reported by the S9 as I am by the Whoop. While I will say that Whoop is pretty cloak and dagger w their algos and metrics (can’t even see my generated HR max for example), the Whoop values seem to be more in line.

    For example - weight lifting session this morning. Nothing crazy, RPE of maybe 4-5 for a strength session. 45 minutes long, S9B calculated almost 400kcal while Whoop was only 128.

    I believe S9B calories are calculated using age/weight and not set HR zones. Is this true? Otherwise, is it possible to manipulate to bring it back down to a more “normal” type amount?

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      sartoric Moderator
      last edited by sartoric 21 Dec 2020, 22:58

      Just remember that S9 does include metabolic calories too, not only active calories

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        stromdiddily Gold Members @sartoric
        last edited by 22 Dec 2020, 00:32

        @sartoric it’s the active calories that I’m not so sure on. Rest of the day looks close enough.

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          sartoric Moderator @stromdiddily
          last edited by sartoric 22 Dec 2020, 09:12

          @stromdiddily
          I mean that 400 includes the active ones AND the metabolic calories burnt during the training.
          So if Whoop measure only active ones , you’ll surely find differences

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            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
            last edited by 22 Dec 2020, 09:14

            keep in mind that it is based on HR but differnt sport modes have different tuning

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              Kurt68
              last edited by 22 Dec 2020, 11:23

              In my tests, I made the experience that Garmin and Suunto deliver almost identical values ​​and Polar significantly more. I don’t think they can really measure their calories exactly.

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                isazi Moderator @Kurt68
                last edited by 22 Dec 2020, 11:38

                @Kurt68 no they can’t. I also heard that our bodies adapt to exercise to a point where total daily calories consumption is the same if we have an active lifestyle or not. Will link to sources later 🙂

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                  Brad_Olwin Moderator @stromdiddily
                  last edited by 22 Dec 2020, 13:36

                  @stromdiddily I was hungry after my last race in March, the watch said I burned 3639 kcal so I believed it.

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                    isazi Moderator
                    last edited by 22 Dec 2020, 14:11

                    This is the material I was talking about. The page contains the podcast, plus links to articles. Very interesting (according to me).

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                      stromdiddily Gold Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                      last edited by 22 Dec 2020, 15:04

                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos oh OK. Thought it was based off of the body metrics. Don’t think there is a weights specific profile but perhaps I could create a running specific then play around w the default values 🤔

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                        Stefan Kersting @Brad_Olwin
                        last edited by 23 Dec 2020, 10:59

                        @Brad_Olwin did a 9 hour backcountry trip and feeled pretty hungry after that, too. In General I think the calculation works for when seeing on my activity level and how many calories I eat

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                          last edited by 23 Dec 2020, 14:01

                          @Stefan-Kersting said in Calories Burned - Overstated:

                          @Brad_Olwin did a 9 hour backcountry trip and feeled pretty hungry after that, too. In General I think the calculation works for when seeing on my activity level and how many calories I eat

                          Envious!!! Our snow is dangerous now and not deep enough but soon…I feel the same way after a long SkiMo

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