Sunnto 7 Sensor Support
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@rhustox I would argue that even Bluetooth needs research. For example not every modern smartphone has Bluetooth 5 which be a deal-breaker for some. Also not every Phone os can take full advantage of Bluetooth as you might know:)
Same is with a watch or any other thing. You do you of course, but I like to list all feature I need in any thing I buy and than start my research to determine whether feature is there and how it’s implemented. -
@rhustox at this point if battery + HR belt is important to you, why not go for s5/s9/s9p?
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@rhustox
Your problem is that you saw suunto and thought it was a fitness watch and everything that comes with it.It isn’t a fitness watch - its a smartwatch (with great fitness for a smartwatch) - and when you compare it against its smartwatch competitors (i.e. its market) you will find it compares very favourably in all areas. From capabilities and from a battery life perspective.
If you do want to use HR belts there are options like use SportyGo, Ghostracer just to name two of a host of available options that do support a bluetooth HR belt. Of course can’t guarantee what the battery life is likely to be, but its an option.
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@дима-мельниченко as said, that was my wife’s decision when going to buy it, after seen the design, color options, price… and let’s say it this way, the colorful display, she prefered the S7.
I have the S9B.
Never thought either of us that that simple function would disappear if older or lower versions just have it. Who would think of?
Now the discussion is not about why me, why us, it is why Suunto did not specify it clearly instead of a nearly hidden and tiny little line in the manual in its heart rate page.
See it yourself:
Should one imagine that by magic powers or has to be psychic that the reading from these two amazing product presentations one has the HR belt option and the other one hasn’t even there is a music upload function? Come on do not take me as an idiot!
Compare yourself and see, if you find it somewere before one starts buying it, instead of reading the whole damn manual, let me know because I may have to buy you a S9P as please:
https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/suunto-collections/suunto-7/
https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/suunto-collections/suunto-9-collection/
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@jamie-bg said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@rhustox
Your problem is that you saw suunto and thought it was a fitness watch and everything that comes with it.It isn’t a fitness watch - its a smartwatch (with great fitness for a smartwatch) - and when you compare it against its smartwatch competitors (i.e. its market) you will find it compares very favourably in all areas. From capabilities and from a battery life perspective.
If you do want to use HR belts there are options like use SportyGo, Ghostracer just to name two of a host of available options that do support a bluetooth HR belt. Of course can’t guarantee what the battery life is likely to be, but its an option.
Again seems like you guys are defending something that easy as a big mistake that was not even mentioned in an easy or visual way for everyone.
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@rhustox I might be a little biased on this, as it was mentioned a dozen times on the forum.
But let me tell you - absence of HR belt support and battery life were the exact two reasons my girlfriend didn’t buy an S7. -
@дима-мельниченко said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@rhustox I might be a little biased on this, as it was mentioned a dozen times on the forum.
But let me tell you - absence of HR belt support and battery life were the exact two reasons my girlfriend didn’t buy an S7.Ok, excuse our ignorance then not checking every single forum on the globe, any granny chats around the corner and all the radio frequencies talking about it before we bought it. Happy now?
Our mistake, Ok maybe. But not a mistake a big brand like this one should be willing to easy make. That’s all.
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@rhustox This does not have to be an extended debate, the S7 is unlikely to get sensor support in the Suunto Wear OS app. If your wife needs this, return/sell it and get an S5/S9baro/S9P. Or as has been stated many times use a 3rd party app but battery life will only be 5-6h I believe. That may be enough, it is not hard to import the .fit file back into SA. This is getting silly, I understand you did not know this, that you are disappointed, that is fine.
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@brad_olwin said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@rhustox This does not have to be an extended debate, the S7 is unlikely to get sensor support in the Suunto Wear OS app. If your wife needs this, return/sell it and get an S5/S9baro/S9P. Or as has been stated many times use a 3rd party app but battery life will only be 5-6h I believe. That may be enough, it is not hard to import the .fit file back into SA. This is getting silly, I understand you did not know this, that you are disappointed, that is fine.
Great!
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@rhustox
Big mistake - no mistake from Suunto, it was never intended to pair with a HR strap, as it was never intended as that type of watch.I don’t know about you, but when I consider a purchase, especially one that is a fair bit of money, I tend to do a bit of research, read some reviews, and watch some reviews about a product to make sure its a good fit with me.
Every fitness tech reviewer has made it blatently obvious, often in the pros & cons at the begining of the review that as far as they are concenred from a fitness perspective its missing, due to the lack of external HR support. As most later point out, it really isnt a true fitness, and thus isn’t really expected.All tech reviewers haven’t even commented on it, and why haven’t they, well the review the watch based on its market - the smartwatch crowd who like to do some basic activity tracking and don’t care about HR straps, in fact it the smartwatch category its one of only two smartwatches that comes with a proper HR Zone metering (this is not standard on smartwatches whose activity tracking consists of duration, distance, HR, may speed/pace, with post activity breadcrumb map).
And while Suunto hasn’t obviously stated you can’t pair it a HR strap with the suunto app, it can with other apps, so its not like its actually missing that functionality. If this was so important I would have thought you would check.
When I moved from S7 to Fenix 6x Pro, I seriously considered a S9B / S9 Peak but didn’t buy one as it didn’t tick all the options under my need list and missed a lot under my want list, where as 6x ticked off virtually all of the need & want list.
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It’s also shown right there in the Heart Rate section of the basic checklist of features when comparing Suunto products…
https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/Compare-Products/?products=283411%3B247292%3B261241
…the exact kind of place where someone who has an existing Bluetooth or ANT+ strap would be looking to see if they are supported?
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@nigel-taylor-0 @Jamie-BG Give him a break, he did not know and was surprised and very disappointed. That is it. Let’s find solutions to the issue!
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@brad_olwin said in Sunnto 7 Sensor Support:
@nigel-taylor-0 @Jamie-BG Give him a break, he did not know and was surprised and very disappointed. That is it. Let’s find solutions to the issue!
Oh right, seems here some are the ones responsible of this thing which are even way more upset than me of my words and conserns, what a surprise, but fortunately for you the mighty ones, you are the smartest buyers of the year!
Has anyone thought of a reward for them?-The Smartwatch for Sporty Life- That’s how the slogan sounds.
Not a bloody chinese smartwatch with Wear OS and OHR funciton as the ones you can buy for 30€ at Amazon.
I had 5 Suunto’s by now and never complaint about, because everything for me was the expected, what a wrong idea buying this one model for my wife, that’s it.
For the wolves all mighty always doing all perfect I took some time here proposing interesting new features in case would be possible. Do not think of me as a complainer or someone who’s hobby is getting in fights or trouble, because at the same time I just appeared to this forum and the only one as a user, I could disappear right now and all could be the same, so please don’t act as idiots.
But yes, please let’s end up this ridiculous conversation. Your help is just a little on this big issue for me and the product isn’t what it could have been, let’s just be a little honest and clear.
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@rhustox I understand your frustration. I bought the S7 more than one years ago and I sold it after one month. It was completely unuseful from my perspective of use. Bodyweight workouts, uphill sprints, running…the OHR was always wrong and, thus, also the relative metrics. If your girlfriend needs a smartwatch with sport features, she can find more satisfaction with Garmin or, at least, with the AW which is capable to connect a bluetooth strap. Another important note: both have also better battery performances.
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@manuel-silvestri Apple watch has better battery? I thought they were comparable?
As for OHR this will always vary to some degree between people. I have done runs with my Garmin connected to a polar h7 and compared it to my S7 OHR using DCRainmaker tools. Differences were negligible for my running (not tested other activities). Some times it would lag behind the H7 by a second or so when my HR increased or fell greatly, but it matched up after that. But I know people’s experience has varied. DCRainmaker didn’t have good results for instance.
My only reason to need BLE HR support is for winter activities so I can wear the watch over my jacket when skiing. I’m currently using my SSU for such activities.
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@aleksander-h For sure, that’s why it should be possibile to pair a chest strap. Also for the newest Garmin watches or Polar, the reliability of OHR is bad for some activity. I use an old Fenix 5 and I’m completely aware that if I don’t use a chest strap for the activity I usually do, I obtain wrong data.
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@manuel-silvestri as mentioned before it is possible to pair a chest strap (just not in the built in Suunto wear app). You can use it with other apps like Google Fit etc.
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@egika I know that it’s possible, but if someone buy an S7 and must use another app because of the lack of chest strap connection, why buy a Suunto?
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@manuel-silvestri because they have the best design, awesome support, are really tough for water sports, whatever else.
Why buy anything else that is not a Suunto where your data ends up in a different platform as well? -
I moved from S9B to S7, I know, I’m crazy, but I liked having the WearOS for the daily use.
I normally read the user guide before purchase any item. I knew ahead that not have Sensor Support but imagined that was only on initial release and comes later on a FW update (same with create custom intervals). I would like to log all from the same Suunto Wear app and at the moment for me the only external sensor that I would like to pair is the cadence for my bike. By this reason I don’t want to use another external app than Suunto Wear app.I can understand that it’s a battery life matter, but it’s better if this is available and the user can choose. I can understand also that my S7 can have an autonomy of 12 hours now, and only 3 hour if have paired a cadence sensor, to say anything as example. No problem with this. I could evaluate if this is useful or not and take my decision based on my use or activity of this day. Maybe the customers that prefer or like to pair the HR chest strap think the same. If I need to recharge my S7 twice a day or after each activity, no problem, I can decide if I need this sensor or not.
Some Suunto decisions are strange: remove the dark theme on SA, remove the m/s units that I had available on my old A3P and now no, etc but I still have confidence on the devices and I had worse experiences with other brands.