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Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?

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    nikshot @Brad_Olwin
    last edited by nikshot 6 Jan 2021, 08:26 1 Jun 2021, 08:18

    @brad_olwinFor me this is a very serious drawback and again I say it makes no sense the whole concept of a watch whose main function is to be GPS navigation !!! Imagine three days moving in the high mountains in an absolutely unknown and wild place, without marked trails, without internet connection. Every day you make a track in the clock with the idea to go back the same way! On the fourth day you go back, but you don’t have internet, electricity in the phone, the phone broke, you lost your phone, the rain got it wet and it blocked … And what if I have a watch (depending on the phone in question) with GPS navigation, with a battery of up to 170 hours, a watch that is so strong and protected that it will work even after an atomic bomb ??? What exactly will it do for me in this situation - maybe to measure my heart rate (if I could and blood pressure: D) to find out how angry I am with the ridiculous situation …

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      Prenj
      last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 08:46

      Find back is nice to have, but what if watch crashes during the activity?

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        nikshot @Prenj
        last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 08:49

        @prenjMaybe I will have to use the phone again 🙂

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          sartoric Moderator @nikshot
          last edited by sartoric 6 Jan 2021, 09:06 1 Jun 2021, 08:59

          @nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

          but you don’t have internet, electricity in the phone, the phone broke,

          you can also lose the watch, the watch drains the battery , or it brokes, or it explodes … or …

          😁

          What exactly will it do for me in this situation

          What should you do, maybe, Use a map ? 😉

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            nikshot @sartoric
            last edited by nikshot 6 Jan 2021, 09:24 1 Jun 2021, 09:13

            @sartoricYears ago I bought Suunto Ambit 2 Sapphire, he doesn’t have this problem! If the clock draws the route, you can use it immediately, without the need for a phone and whatever else you can think of. With this watch I went around all the mountains in Bulgaria without anyone’s help - Pirin, Rila, Stara Planina … I just put the watch on and left and if something went wrong, the watch would bring me back. So I became a very big fan of Suunto. The Suunto watch became mine favorite toy. A few months ago I bought Suunto 9 Baro Titanium in the hope of having an even more powerful, safe and modern tool for my adventurous adventures, but at the moment I am very disappointed if Suunto Brand does not correct this omission (to be able to use the created tracks). from the watch without being dependent on a phone) will lose me from their community and maybe I won’t be the only one.
            And maybe you didn’t get the sarcasm - that everyone “if” means how absurd it is for Suunto to be dependent on a phone in situations where the phone itself is useless 🙂

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              sartoric Moderator @nikshot
              last edited by sartoric 6 Jan 2021, 09:49 1 Jun 2021, 09:47

              @nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

              And maybe you didn’t get the sarcasm - that everyone “if” means how absurd it is for Suunto to be dependent on a phone in situations where the phone itself is useless

              maybe you didn’t get my sarcasm too about how absurd it’s for a hiker to rely only on a gps (watch or not) when wandering in unknown places following new and unknown paths 😁

              I mean, I get your disappointment, but with android I can download, convert and reload the route without any data coverage.
              Afaiu @Brad_Olwin can do it on IOs too
              In situation like that, I usually bring a power bank with me, so I can charge both watch, phone, head lamp and battery in general … and a map of course 😄

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                nikshot @sartoric
                last edited by nikshot 6 Jan 2021, 09:59 1 Jun 2021, 09:56

                @sartoricYes, I understand, you have just confirmed my conclusion, and that is that in critical situations, the modern Suunto (unlike the old generation CA 2) is useless …
                You don’t think I bought Suunto to walk with him on the “Champs-Élysées”: D

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                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nikshot
                  last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 09:59

                  @nikshot useless is a bit exaggerated right?

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                    nikshot @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                    last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:02

                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulosDon’t get me wrong, I love this watch, but in the specific situations I’m talking about, that’s right.

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nikshot
                      last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:08

                      @nikshot its your right to say that. But also A2 could just fail (crash mid activity) and then its worse as it’s not Mobile connected.

                      That said, I do understand the need of this feature. I dont want to argue. 😄

                      However, please during critical situation prepare better than just going out with a non connected watch. Else Bear Grills will Grill.

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                        David Young Bronze Member @Prenj
                        last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:14

                        @prenj Find back gives you the equivalent of a POI at the location you started recording.

                        From the S9 manual:

                        If you are using GPS when recording an activity, Suunto 9 automatically saves the starting point of your exercise. With Find back, Suunto 9 can guide you directly back to your starting point.

                        So for retracing a complex route where the direct line back could put you in a series of dead ends, it’s next to useless.

                        Do people from Suunto read these comments? If so could one of them kindly explain why they took functionality that was in the older watches (in my case a Traverse) out of the watch and put it in the app?

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                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @David Young
                          last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:16

                          @david-young you understand that:

                          1. You have all the stats of that start poi
                          2. You have the route in detail as breadbrumb

                          Do people from Suunto read these comments? If so could one of them kindly explain why they took functionality that was in the older watches (in my case a Traverse) out of the watch and put it in the app?

                          There was nothing gotten out of the traverse. It works as it worked right? or did I miss something?

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                            David Young Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                            last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:24

                            Thanks for replying.

                            1. Yes, you have the stats for the start POI, but where does that get you? We’re assuming we have trekked out of reach of a wifi signal, and can’t use the app to make a new route.

                            2. Breadcrumb is NOWHERE explained in the S9 manual. Maybe it’s the solution?

                            Sorry, I didn’t mean that the Traverse had been impaired by removing the recording feature, I meant that the new expensive watches Suunto want us to buy have been impaired by removing the recording feature, and I’m curious as to why they did it!

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                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @David Young
                              last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:28

                              @david-young check the last screen. It always records the route even when paused. You can use that to navigate back to start even without enabling the “findback” function. The findback function is to show some stats around the starting points and add some arrows at the navigation screen.

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                                David Young Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:36

                                @dimitrios-kanellopoulos OK, I’ll give Breadcrumb a try this afternoon when I trek into the wilds of the city centre.

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                                  nikshot @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                  last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:39

                                  @dimitrios-kanellopoulosLet me just say that the moment we record the route, there is no going back, not even the last screen.

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                                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @David Young
                                    last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:41

                                    @david-young watch out there at the concrete jungle

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                                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @nikshot
                                      last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:42

                                      @nikshot what do you mean ?

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                                        nikshot @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                        last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:47

                                        @dimitrios-kanellopoulosWith A2 if it crashes maybe (but it didn’t happen to me) … but with S9 as it is connected it is guaranteed that I will not have a track at the end!

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                                          nikshot @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                          last edited by 1 Jun 2021, 10:49

                                          @dimitrios-kanellopoulosIt’s very simple - return the old function in question.

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