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    Brad_Olwin Moderator @c1rclez
    last edited by 22 Jun 2021, 19:03

    @c1rclez While in bed it may be difficult to detect you turning over or cats jumping on you. If you get out of bed the watch will note loss of sleep.

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      c1rclez @Brad_Olwin
      last edited by 23 Jun 2021, 11:46

      @brad_olwin I’m not sure I agree with this assessment. I’m beginning to think there may be a bug. Since getting the watch it has not detected a single minute of awake time during my sleeps.

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        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @c1rclez
        last edited by 23 Jun 2021, 11:55

        @c1rclez it should detect even when tossing and turning.

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          EzioAuditore Gold Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
          last edited by 23 Jun 2021, 12:03

          @dimitrios-kanellopoulos My s9b does not detect awake even if I go to pee in the middle of the night and make 10-20 steps. Only if I stay awake for more than 5-10 mins it will detect awake.

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            c1rclez @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
            last edited by 23 Jun 2021, 13:58

            @dimitrios-kanellopoulos Perhaps something is up then. I’ve been meeting my sleep goal 100% each time I sleep (there is no way my sleep is that good).

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              Jamie BG Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              last edited by 23 Jun 2021, 17:08

              @dimitrios-kanellopoulos - if it is using the first beat sleep tracking then should definitely pick up awake periods.

              @c1rclez What does your HR rate do when you wake up - any blips or does it stay flat.

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                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                last edited by 23 Jun 2021, 17:34

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                This is how it looks for me

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                  c1rclez @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                  last edited by 23 Jun 2021, 18:27

                  @dimitrios-kanellopoulos if you go into the individual “sleeps” is it counting any waking times?

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                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @c1rclez
                    last edited by 23 Jun 2021, 18:45

                    @c1rclez yup.

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                      Jamie BG Bronze Member
                      last edited by Jamie BG 24 Jun 2021, 09:46

                      Last night really showed the limitations due to the amount of data they are incorporating into their analysis.
                      I had my second innoculation approx 24hrs before last night’s sleep, and by the time I went to bed last night I was again having a dull ache in left shoulder and HR was running around 10bpm higher (on first jab it was approx 20-30bpm higher and did completely knock me down - note had bad sleep tracking then too).
                      Due to my higher HR, had no deep sleep, less REM, some awake (when I was asleep) and lots and lots of light sleep - so had my worst second worst sleep score (last one was on previous jab).
                      I checked my Ox and respiration readings - all good as per normal, checked CPAP machine readings - and technically I did have an OK sleep, and all the other measurements all point out that I very likely did have deep sleep.
                      So while the sleep record is very likely wrong on quality of sleep score, it and the body resouce meter (struggling to stay above 20 - as getting killed with stress - again due to HR running high) are actually correct in how I currently feel - run down, drained and struggling.
                      So overall you have to give a win on overall impression - should I be running today - probably not. Will I be running today - possibly a light one instead of heavy- see how I feel later this evening. And to me that is the point of the sleep tracking and integrating it into body resources - to give you a guide towards how you should adjust your training in regards to how your body may be feeling. [Of course you could just go on how you feel, but sometimes its easy to use that as an excuse when actually everything indicates you are good to go - this time feel and indicators all point the same way).

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                        c1rclez
                        last edited by 24 Jun 2021, 11:27

                        Had yet another night of 100% sleep quality with zero awake time. That’s 5 nights in a row of 100% quality since I got the device. It is not possible for this to be true, especially when one remembers waking up and tossing and turning. It’s getting to be a little disheartening. I wore my Whoop strap to bed as well last night. Whoop credited me 7:33 hours of total sleep vs 8:20 with the S9P. Nearly an hour difference in sleep time!

                        Both devices were within a minute of each other detecting when I fell asleep and within 3 minutes of detecting when I got up. Deep sleep was pretty close, each device within 9 minutes of the other.

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                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @c1rclez
                          last edited by Dimitrios Kanellopoulos 24 Jun 2021, 11:39

                          @c1rclez could you try a factory reset or wearing it at the other arm?

                          So lets try this:

                          • Reboot the watch via 20s upper button hold.
                          • Sleep with it at the other hand
                          • Full factory reset if the same situation

                          Question in advance:

                          Does the watch record steps and 24/7 HR ?

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                            DMytro
                            last edited by 24 Jun 2021, 11:43

                            s9 here, but the same “issue”:
                            I had 99% sleep quality tonight, but don’t feel rested & was waking up a few times at night. This is somewhat reflected through resources which use a different algorithm. The core of my consern lies on me never before experiencing this high of a sleep score.

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                              Egika Platinum Member
                              last edited by Egika 24 Jun 2021, 11:50

                              @jamie-bg guess what happened on May 22nd 🥴

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                                A Former User @c1rclez
                                last edited by 24 Jun 2021, 13:38

                                @c1rclez Hello from a fellow WHOOP user! Well, mostly former user… Though I have it on my arm right now to validate Peak, what else?

                                S9P is nowhere as sensitive to sleep disturbances as WHOOP was, and one might argue if WHOOP was correct. It normally reported me having 10-12 sleep disturbances per night with 30-40 min awake time while I could barely remember any. Now, I get it sometimes you wake up and fall immediately back asleep and don’t remember anything, but I think 30-40 minutes is plenty…

                                That being said, while WHOOP was probably overestimating the amount of wake time picking up on any movement during the night, S9P clearly misses shorter periods when you are awake, especially when you are tossing and turning.

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                                  A Former User
                                  last edited by 24 Jun 2021, 13:41

                                  To answer your original question: the watch would stop sleep tracking upon alarm that you turn off it seems. It would also stop if you disable DND or start syncing your watch with the app.

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                                    Jamie BG Bronze Member @c1rclez
                                    last edited by 24 Jun 2021, 16:44

                                    @c1rclez

                                    What does your ave HR post against your sleep, and have you checked your HR to see if there are any major blips on it, showing that you definitely woke.

                                    Maybe your HR didn’t move significantly and if you haven’t stood up, its very likely that it might not record it a wake period. I suspect that in your wake periods it was recorded as light sleep, just like it does if you sit and watch tv during your sleep time, don’t move much and your HR lowers similar to sleep - you get a massive light sleep patch, which goes to wake up when you stand up to go to bed.

                                    So if you do wake and want to see a wake period, maybe move around a lot / stand up…

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                                      mlatej
                                      last edited by 4 Jul 2021, 11:02

                                      Yesterday I had an interesting situation.
                                      I took the watch off after bathing around 24:00, put it back on around 4:00 (then it started measuring heart rate again). I went to bed and woke up around 11:30. The watch counted almost 12 hours of sleep! For me, compared to Suunto 7 this watch is not suitable for sleep monitoring. maybe they will fix something in the next update.

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                                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @mlatej
                                        last edited by 4 Jul 2021, 13:03

                                        @mlatej it does not base sleep to heart rate. So yeah if you take the watch off during the sleep time it will register sleep. You can also turn off the 24/7 hr and still track your sleep …

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                                          sartoric Moderator @mlatej
                                          last edited by 4 Jul 2021, 14:41

                                          @mlatej
                                          And I’m pretty sure it is also stated in the user manual

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