Body Resources general whackiness

[A Former User]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos Agreed. But it’s the same HRV S9B and S7 were looking at. And when I say same I mean it. My baseline and normal range have been fairly stable recently. Here’s another image, see if you can pick when I switched to Peak

Let me give you another example.

I went out on a low aerobic 2 mile run on an easy flat trail, 73% of MHR. This was as much of a test for S9P as for my new trail running shoes. The run was then followed by a hardish crossfit type of workout, plenty of pushups, kettlebell swings, and box jumps – still the peaks haven’t even touched my LT threshold and an average HR for the activity was at 70% of my max, easy-peasy. Now look at the Resources:

I understand these were literally the first workouts I did with the brand new watch and it was still calibrating the algos, but dropping from almost 80% to about 5% after about 50 minutes of activity? Even a threshold run shouldn’t produce such a drop! If the watch doesn’t have a valid baseline to work off, it should make some reasonable assumptions, and 75% of resources in an hour isn’t that.

It seems Peak is too eager to drain the Resources but nowhere as eager to charge. Which is kind of ironic coming from a fast charging watch

[ChrisA]

@nickk I see similar things (and I also have the impression that the S7s resources where measured better). I also find resources dropping much faster than on the S7 or the S5. I am often at 0% around 18:00 while doing nothing extremely strenuous.

Today my resources dropped dramatically (purple arrow) while driving to work (no heavy traffic etc.) and working sitting in a office and didn’t raise very much over the work day, but suddenly rose when walking the dog (green arrow)…

[A Former User]

@chrisa Thank you! That makes two of us! And great you can relate it your S7 experience. The LifQ sensor is probably not the same, but at least it’s the same outfit that made it. So, can’t be blamed on the sensor package differences entirely.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

There is an issue reported here actually. Sorry didn’t get the overall problem.

The sudden drop is an fb issue on s series. While the same hrv and same fb libraries it’s different platform lib versions.

Search sudden drop of resources. You will find exactly what you need. (here)

[Brad_Olwin]

@nickk I find that my stress levels (both mental and physical) have a major effect on resources. For me the resources are fairly accurate, when they have dropped unexpectedly as my physical activity was not responsible, it was clearly mental stress. There is ample research data demonstrating that overall stress is what you want to measure and assess prior to hard workouts. A high mental stress day dramatically reduces my recovery from that stress with sleep, which typically isn’t as good as from a hard physical stress day.

[A Former User]

@brad_olwin I understand. If we were talking S7 and even S9B, I’d agree with you wholeheartedly. There Resources indeed works as intended and in predictable fashion, for me included. If there are any quirks they are reasonably rare. But my S9P does strange things…

Now we know that sudden drop is a known issue apparently per @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos, that’s been discussed in the forums in the past. So, that settles some of the above.

What it doesn’t explain is how a restful evening of me rewatching Futurama and reading a pleasant book, followed by no less restful sleep ranked at 94% quality and lasting 8.5 hours, gets me anything less than 100% resources? Especially with WHOOP and HRV4T reporting lower RHR and way-above-average HRV?

Furthermore, why then Resources start dropping at a speed that suggests a major stress day or a hard workout and yet, none of that is occurring? Sure I can feel if I’m that stressed?

Maybe it’s just me (apparently not), but I think FB algos need a bit tweaking in S9P. Perhaps, some of the S7 and LifQ goodness didn’t get grafted correctly.

[ChrisA]

@nickk For me resources matched best with how I felt and what happened around me, when wearing the S7. The S9B, the S5 work good too, but there were sudden drops in resources (like @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said) but as a whole it worked and the same is - as a whole - true for the S9P. Perhaps for me it’s maybe a weather related issue? With very hot days and heavy thunderstorms at night here in southern Germany, this might be a reason for my resources dropping faster and not reloading as much through the night? I have not measured my sleep/HRV with another device, but tonight when it was cooler and there were no Storms, resources rose to 93%.

[A Former User]

@chrisa Interesting theory. Unfortunately, weather here in New York has been cooler than usual this time of year, and all storms passed a while back. But I’ll pay attention to environment. It’s a good idea.

[Ze Stuart]

I have a theory about this: I’ve noticed that, since switching to a Peak, my resources have been lower than on the Baro, and I can’t explain why.

At the same time, I’ve noticed that the watch is much slower to display an active HR when I scroll down from the watch screen, and it’s also struggling to reliably deliver SpO2.

I’m wondering if there’s a correlation here between new sensor and these issues. How’s your SpO2?

[A Former User]

@ze-stuart My SpO2 is all over the place. Sometimes it’s 98%, sometimes it’s 89% and at no time I actually asked for it. I think the measurement gets triggered from me accidentally tapping when going around the HR screen and even if I tap away from SpO2 view, it still runs the measurement in the background.

From what I can see, there has to be something wrong with FB daily stress bits in S9P upon which Resources is based. It’s as if the watch is completely off in its HRV baseline. What would be normal to low stress values is considered high stress. You know the type of stress when you lose 10-15% of Resources per hour. Likewise, the rest/no stress gets billed as low to medium stress and results in slower than usual recovery. As a result, after a good restful night I get only 70% resources and within a few hours this drops below 50% even if I pretty much do nothing, just sitting and reading.

[lexterm77]

@nickk

My resources are same if not higher compared to Baro. Try same breathung technique as described in HRV elite app if you want to pump resources up. Not 3 minutes, try 30.

[A Former User]

@lexterm77 I don’t want to pump anything up. I want Resources to reflect how I feel and increase/decrease in predictable and realistic fashion. Like they used to on S7 and S9 before I switched to Peak.

If Peak’s Resources work for you, fantastic! They don’t for me. And apparently, I’m not the only one.

Hopefully, this issue will be addressed in future firmware updates. If not… well, there are devices, from Suunto, that get this right. It so happens I already own them.

[ChrisA]

@nickk I really expected the S9P to show quite similar Resources as the S7 too, since it’s the same / similar sensor. And at least for me the S7‘s resources really matched on how I felt and how things were going very closely. I will try a longer breathing meditation in the next days and see it that impacts the S9Ps readings as much as it did the S7s…

[lexterm77]

@nickk

Do you wear them at same time? S7 and S9P?

[Ze Stuart]

@lexterm77 I thought about it, but realised I didn’t care that much…

[A Former User]

@lexterm77 Why would I? But if you imply my physiology changes mysteriously when I switch to S9P and I need to wear S9P and S7 side-by-side for a true comparison…

Well, I have WHOOP and HRV4T, and their data validates how I feel and suggests my HRV has been fairly stable and sitting closer to the upper end of my normal range. My Garmin concurs. Other people in this forum see similar issues.

At the end of the day, it’s not really about my particular HRV values. It’s about:

• Long, high quality sleep when one wakes up feeling refreshed and energetic should produce Resource values of 90-100%, not 60-70% (and yes, high quality is confirmed by deep sleep duration, HR/HRV, sleep quality, etc.)

• There should never be a Resources drain of 10-15% per hour when there’s no past heavy physical exertion or insane psychological stress or illness

• There should never be a lag in status reporting when I get “active” for being active 30-60 minutes ago or “recovering” when I’m running around but sat quietly half an hour ago

• Longer naps should produce recharged Resources, not “No resources have been measured” with a complete interruption of 24/7 HR tracking

• There shouldn’t be unexplained drops in Resources, sometimes on order of 10-15% in half an hour, when one is said to be recharging

[lexterm77]

@nickk

I have none of those issues with peak, (other than erratic spo2 readings) did you try putting it on other hand?

I have noticed before a lot of people complaining about resources being exausted on baro for no reason but it very rarely occured on my baro. (When it was worn to loose or to down)

And I am not aware whether FB body resources is updated on peak or not, and whether only difference is that you have a better sensor and presumably less noise because watch is smaller and bounces less.

If I dont have bruises on my hand I cannot rely on any FB metrics,

[A Former User]

Has anyone experience 0% body resources?

I only did a 5km walk after waking up, and feel ok, so seems like a glitch.
Should I restart the watch to “solve it”?

[lexterm77]

@andré-faria

Thats not normal.

I did this

And then I saw your post. And I checked my resources, they were this:

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

I have mentioned it a couple of times here. There is a bug in firstbeat , such that some simple activities can drain dramatically the resources.