Suunto Vertical does not assess fitness level
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Hello everyone.
I’ve been using my new Suunto Vertical for two weeks now and I can’t figure out how to measure my fitness level. It just shows “not measured” despite having HR, GPS, personal data filled in and several runs (treadmill and outdoor), hikes. It worked fine with my old Suunto 9.
What could be the problem?
Thanks in advance
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@neuro_ce hey the Fitness Level you have to make 1 Training in walking basic modus on the watch. It dont work and dont show when you train in custom mode
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@GiPFELKiND hope i can help you. Make 1 Run basic and 1 walking basic then it will show Fitness Level
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@neuro_ce had the same Problem… I train with personal custom mode…and no Fitness level was shown. Then i train with basic run and basic walk --> and now after 1 run the fitness level is shown
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@neuro_ce this has been discussed before.
TThe underlying algorithm from FirstBeat requires a certain quality of data to compute your fitness level.Go for a running or walking activity and make sure that you spend some minutes in all heart rate zones. Tha manual tells you any walking activity should work. This is not the full story. Make sure you go into HR zones 4 and 5 as well for some minutes. The whole exercise should last long enough, too.
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It took 2 weeks for my first fitness level reading and it has been consistent after that. I had similar experience with my 9P.
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Interestingly I haven’t done a single run activity with my vertical, i do however have 2 x trail runs recorded which both involved just under 1000m elevation gain each and the watch gave me a V02max reading after the first time I did a this, the number it gave me I take with a grain of salt as I don’t think it allows for the elevation gain, and based on my performances vs my wife and my mate Who have Garmin my V02max is lower than there’s yet I perform much better.
I have done 2 x outside walks both zone 1 and it gives the same V02max as the trail runs actually it hasn’t changed at all.
I will be curious to try a short outside flat run (I don’t do road runs normally) and see if it changes my V02max if I run with some zone 2-4.
My vertical 1000m trail runs are done all at zone 4 but I don’t think the watch is smart enough to calculate speed vs heart rate vs elevation gain, also you have X factor of trail conditions and obstacles which my trail has many watch can’t know this.
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@gone-troppo Did you use trail running profile or running profile when you did your trail runs? Just curious.
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@mikekoski490 I use trail running “custom one” I created.
I have not yet done any activities with normal running profile though I have set up a custom running profile for when I do this but haven’t used it yet
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@gone-troppo VO2Max will only be accurate when you do flat runs. At some point it was optimised for the trailruns also, but it’s very difficult to account for terrain type, steepness, etc - so as you can imagine it’s still not particularly accurate.
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Yep this is exactly as I suspected I think for those people who train 99% on the road for 10k, half marathon full marathon etc V02max likely very close. For those of us doing vertical stuff in mountains not so much.
Hoping though suunto when they develop new algorithms and move away from first beat might be able to come up with something to allow for elevation a heart rate vs speed to get some data for non road runners
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@gone-troppo they will, probably, but I doubt it will ever make sense and cover all cases. Those algorithms are based on observation of the physiology of people running, but trail running has too much variability to ever reach a similar stability. You could be just running flat on a trail, running uphill on good trail, running on technical trails, pulling on chains on very technical terrain, and for the watch you’ll just be exhausted and running very slow. It is not just altitude gain, that’s way easy, is the variety of terrain that will never allow such algorithms to work.
