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    Dirk483 @Egika
    last edited by 23 Jul 2023, 18:36

    @Egika, today I experienced the same as the Topic starter.

    First week owning and exploring the Vertical. Guided Gravelbike ride no problem…
    A Stroll through the forest area in the backyard of our hometown this afternoon raised my eyebrows. Looked like was walking in a field of light- and dark geen blankets. but I walks definitely on a unpaved foresttrack.
    Back home the map in the app clearly showed dotted lines on the wellknown forresttracks. So, Why are they not uploaded for offline usage?

    do you mean I can ( and have to) add the data myself to see the Mapbox track in my watch?.

    If so, can you give a hint how to do this?

    Regards,

    Matthew
    The Netherlands

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      Mff73 @Dirk483
      last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 06:30

      @Dirk483 and @myles-lasker , as @Egika said, you can contribute to OpenStreetmap data following all advices here https://www.openstreetmap.org/fixthemap

      But, @Egika , it raises a point where Suunto is using two differents sources of maps in their unique ecosystem App/Watch: Mapbox in Phone app and OSM in watch.
      Thus, two different “ways” to contribute to have the same “”“trusted”“”" map data. Not easy, no ?

      I am personnaly mapping in OSM each time i discover real paths in real life, but, before this case, i never realized that some paths could be known in Mapbox and not in OSM.

      @Dirk483 or @myles-lasker , could you share one example of a path you can see in SuuntoApp and which was not in the watch please (just for the sake of looking in OSM) ?

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        taziden Gold Members @myles.lasker
        last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 06:38

        Maybe the map data is not up-to-date, because from what I remember Mapbox is using OSM data.
        One way to know is to check if the trails are missing on openstreetmap.org also.

        S9PP

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          Dirk483 @Mff73
          last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 07:44

          @Mff73 , as you can see, lots of trails. None of them show up on Watch.
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            Dirk483 @Mff73
            last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 07:49

            @Mff73 ,

            For comparison, OSM does show them. So it should om watch shouldn’t it. Otherwise I would be very frustrated

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              Dirk483 @taziden
              last edited by Dirk483 24 Jul 2023, 07:50

              @taziden no… it,s not. See reply above

              E 1 Reply Last reply 24 Jul 2023, 08:02 Reply Quote 1
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                Egika Platinum Member @Dirk483
                last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 08:02

                @Dirk483 This indeed seems to be not correct.
                If other zoom levels (25,50,100 m) also don’t show those trails, then please let me know the map tile affected and position of your screenshots.

                Thank you!

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                  Mff73 @Dirk483
                  last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 08:26

                  @Dirk483
                  thanks, and effectively strange.
                  Let’s answer the question from Egika. These paths are effectively well in OSM (since quite a long time, and apparently well setup).

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                    trailcafe Bronze Member @Mff73
                    last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 08:28

                    @Mff73 there are different classifications of trails in OSM. Maybe the ones in your example do not match the criteria that are shown on the watch!? Just an assumption…

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                      Mff73 @trailcafe
                      last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 08:44

                      @trailcafe said in Trails on watch map:

                      @Mff73 there are different classifications of trails in OSM. Maybe the ones in your example do not match the criteria that are shown on the watch!? Just an assumption…

                      you are right, but these paths (i checked them in OSM) really seems to be well classified.
                      Highway = path should be enough

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                      Here is a path i hiked yesterday, and it was on my watch 😉
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                        Dirk483 @Egika
                        last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 08:59

                        @Egika , thx Egika. Zoomlevels make no difference. Neither does making a route in the area. It does show the route but none of the surrounding trails in the area.

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                          Egika Platinum Member @Dirk483
                          last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 09:03

                          @Dirk483 please tell me the affected map tile name and give me coordinates of one of those missing trails please.
                          Thx!

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                            Dirk483 @Egika
                            last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 10:31

                            @Egika, sorry not familiar with maptile names E6DDCAB8-9A0F-4CE5-AE4D-A3720261DC8C.png

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                              Dirk483 @Egika
                              last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 10:54

                              @Egika , oh Wauw. Went back after restart. Some differences!
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                                Egika Platinum Member @Dirk483
                                last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 11:04

                                @Dirk483 ok, so this looks like resolved then 🙂

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                                D 1 Reply Last reply 24 Jul 2023, 11:10 Reply Quote 0
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                                  Dirk483 @Egika
                                  last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 11:10

                                  @Egika yup. 🙃

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                                    surfboomerang @Dirk483
                                    last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 11:22

                                    @Dirk483 The colors on both images seems different. Did you use the same map type (Outdoor or Dark)?

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                                    D 1 Reply Last reply 24 Jul 2023, 16:54 Reply Quote 0
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                                      Dirk483 @surfboomerang
                                      last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 16:54

                                      @surfboomerang both Outdoor.

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                                        Mff73 @Dirk483
                                        last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 17:47

                                        @Dirk483
                                        Good news.
                                        Lesson learned = restart watch before too much investigations, 😂

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                                          Dirk483 @Mff73
                                          last edited by 24 Jul 2023, 19:25

                                          @Mff73 i’ve learned!

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