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    GiPFELKiND Silver Members
    last edited by GiPFELKiND 8 Aug 2023, 16:23 8 Aug 2023, 16:21

    Hey 😊 i have chanched my Heart Rate Zones specially in the Watch for Running, and change the Heart Rate Zones also in Trainingpeaks.
    Why in Suunto App a Run Workout is measured with a 61 TSS hr and Trainingpeaks measured it as 92 TSS. Have i to change manually all coming Trainings in Suunto App with the TSS from Trainingpeaks!?

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      MKPotts Bronze Member @GiPFELKiND
      last edited by 8 Aug 2023, 20:12

      @GiPFELKiND
      By default Training Peaks uses power data to calculate TSS, when that data is available for the workout.
      To get the TSS values to match, you need to change the TSS in the TP workout to hrTSS or change the Suunto workout to pTSS (assuming, if using pTSS, that your power zones are the same for both).
      However, I wouldn’t normally see such a large difference between pTSS and hrTSS as you have for this run. I suspect you have one of your sets of zones set inaccurately (I’m guessing your power zones, given you mention setting your HR zones).

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        altcmd Silver Members @MKPotts
        last edited by 9 Aug 2023, 07:21

        Power in running is not an exact science as with HR, leading to some variations amongst different watch manufacturers and Stryd, which might explain the difference in TSS numbers. Best to default TP TSS to HrTSS rather than pTSS, unless you are doing a power-based training plan.

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          Sergei Ladeishchikov Bronze Member
          last edited by 9 Aug 2023, 07:38

          What about rTSS for running?

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            MKPotts Bronze Member @altcmd
            last edited by 9 Aug 2023, 08:17

            @altcmd
            Yes, agree about the variation in power data from different manufacturers. I only have one device that records power (S9PP), so I’ve just set power, HR and pace zones to be consistent and give very similar TSS calculations.
            However, I don’t use power for TSS, I use rTSS in TP. I think by default TP uses power, running pace and HR in that order of priority to calculate TSS. I don’t know if you can change this default - so since getting my S9PP I change every workout to rTSS at the same time as adding feeling/perceived effort.

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              GiPFELKiND Silver Members @altcmd
              last edited by 9 Aug 2023, 18:18

              @altcmd said in TSS Suunto App vs Trainingpeaks:

              Power in running is not an exact science as with HR, leading to some variations amongst different watch manufacturers and Stryd, which might explain the difference in TSS numbers. Best to default TP TSS to HrTSS rather than pTSS, unless you are doing a power-based training plan.

              Thank you, Sounds good. I will try it and give answer 😊how it works then

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                GiPFELKiND Silver Members @MKPotts
                last edited by 9 Aug 2023, 18:24

                @MKPotts said in TSS Suunto App vs Trainingpeaks:

                @altcmd
                Yes, agree about the variation in power data from different manufacturers. I only have one device that records power (S9PP), so I’ve just set power, HR and pace zones to be consistent and give very similar TSS calculations.
                However, I don’t use power for TSS, I use rTSS in TP. I think by default TP uses power, running pace and HR in that order of priority to calculate TSS. I don’t know if you can change this default - so since getting my S9PP I change every workout to rTSS at the same time as adding feeling/perceived effort.

                I now have managed my run Heart Rate Zones and have deleted both, in my Suunto zi deleted the Special zones for running and in my Trainingpeaks Account too. Set my zones Default Like this:

                Zone 1 -60% HF max
                Zone 2 60-70%
                Zone 3 70-80%
                Zone 4 80-90%
                Zone 5 90-100 % BUT i have checked that the beginning from Zone 5 is my Treshhold Heart Rate. So i got definitely better results. I have now but big range in Zone 5 (166-182) but zone 5 define now my anaerobic capacity.

                In Trainingpeaks today i had hrTSS 68 and on my Suunto 58 that is okay!!! I think

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                  altcmd Silver Members @GiPFELKiND
                  last edited by 10 Aug 2023, 07:42

                  @GiPFELKiND You also need to make sure your personal metrics like height and weight are also correct across platforms as those influence the TSS measures.

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                    stromdiddily Gold Members @altcmd
                    last edited by 10 Aug 2023, 14:01

                    @altcmd said in TSS Suunto App vs Trainingpeaks:

                    @GiPFELKiND You also need to make sure your personal metrics like height and weight are also correct across platforms as those influence the TSS measures.

                    Where have you seen that? AFAIK only heart rate zones impact hrTSS…

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                      altcmd Silver Members @stromdiddily
                      last edited by 10 Aug 2023, 17:45

                      @stromdiddily Sure, but HR is related to age, so the later does have an indirect impact on hrTSS.

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                        stromdiddily Gold Members
                        last edited by 10 Aug 2023, 21:36

                        This is a timely thread as I was going to ask the same question. I have hrTSS set as the default calc for running in Training Peaks (slick new feature actually), can the same be done in Suunto or is it forcing it still to use rTSS?

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                          Brad_Olwin Moderator @stromdiddily
                          last edited by 10 Aug 2023, 22:28

                          @stromdiddily you can set the same hrTSS in Suunto app

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                            Brad_Olwin Moderator @GiPFELKiND
                            last edited by 10 Aug 2023, 22:30

                            @GiPFELKiND should be closer than that. Mine are nearly identical.

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                              MKPotts Bronze Member @stromdiddily
                              last edited by 11 Aug 2023, 08:07

                              @stromdiddily
                              How do you change the default TSS calculation in TP? I can’t find a way to do this in the app (iOS), do you have to do it on the website?
                              At the minute I have to manually change every run recorded with the Peak Pro from pTSS to rTSS.

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                                stromdiddily Gold Members @MKPotts
                                last edited by 14 Aug 2023, 15:57

                                @MKPotts said in TSS Suunto App vs Trainingpeaks:

                                @stromdiddily
                                How do you change the default TSS calculation in TP? I can’t find a way to do this in the app (iOS), do you have to do it on the website?
                                At the minute I have to manually change every run recorded with the Peak Pro from pTSS to rTSS.

                                On the web if you update the TSS used for an activity you should get a prompt asking you to set the default…like so

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