When will we get new firmware from Suunto?
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@Philip Not sure if you ever were in the realm of software engineering or development or data in general but some of the stuff you listed is pretty hard to do. E.g. “correct sleep tracking”. Imagine you are receiving plenty of data from sensors but you are limited by the data points you can collect from your wrist (HR related data, accelerometer data, temperature data etc.). Now try to develop an algorithm and ML model that will take those limited data and tries to match this to a real sleep. This is years and years of work and testing and development in order to try to at least come close. You have to account for many unexpected behaviours, such as “number 2 during the night that takes longer time” or “waking up to take care of the crying baby” - should the watch count this as automatic waking up or just “being awake phase”? Sleep tracking from the wrist is extremely challenging topic.
This is not like “oh let’s tweak this and in a week we are done”.
As for the step tracking: what if you are carrying a box in the hand or bag with the groceries? If the algorithm is too sensitive, it will count steps even if you are not moving, if it is less sensitive then there will be posts like “it doesn’t track enough steps” caused by the fact you did not move your hand properly.
Calories are also a challenging topic. Every wearable differs from real calorie expenditure by more than 30 %. The real calorie expenditure depends greatly also on external conditions (how much you are cold, what is e.g. your running economy, how muscular are you etc.). The calorie expenditure from a wearable on your wrist is currently not something to depend on when calculating the optimal calorie intake.
HRV: I think the main point now is how to present the HRV and interpret it. But here I think the average and detecting the extremes like Garmin has is a good interpretation. But metrics such as training readiness are generally unusable. So here I would rather wait for a proper implementation and not some half-baked metrics such as Garmins.
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@jakubdr Thanks for this very detailed info, really intresting.
I had last year a Huawei gt 3 with really good sleep analysis, even the wake up time was perfect. If that should work in the Vertical as well I would be happy.
The Huawei costed 140 euros, the Vertical 550 euros. So I taught that the Vertical would be the perfect watch.The Vertical is a joy to use for me, especially GPS battery and navigating. So I am not complaining but still hoping for an improvent next months.
I fully understand what you wrote about calories. What I meant is that the calories after an activity are not well counted in the calorie widget. They are underestimated in the widget.
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@Philip said in When will we get new firmware from Suunto?:
- correct sleep tracking, especially the real time I woke up
- HRV?
Both being changed, leaving FirstBeat for another provider. Expect them this year (most probably).
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@isazi not tomorrow?
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@Łukasz-Szmigiel it was delivered yesterday, but you weren’t at home
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@isazi it’s funny when you don’t pay for the watch
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@isazi interesting information… but that also means months of bad sleep evaluation and wrong resources… Suunto is starting to disappoint me… yesterday my O HR suddenly hung up… luckily after the reset (12 seconds) it worked again… I hope for an update soon. After that I will decide to keep the watch or sell it. As of now the watch/software is so unstable that I can only see it as a pretty toy. It is too expensive for that and there are many competitors that offer more service and functions …
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@Lechamoix what?
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@isazi OMG all is lost! I’ll have to wait for the next one!
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@Sascha-Domres said in When will we get new firmware from Suunto?:
isazi interesting information… but that also means months of bad sleep evaluation and wrong resources… Suunto is starting to disappoint me… yesterday my O HR suddenly hung up… luckily after the reset (12 seconds) it worked again… I hope for an update soon. After that I will decide to keep the watch or sell it. As of now the watch/software is so unstable that I can only see it as a pretty toy. It is too expensive for that and there are many competitors that offer more service and functions …
I’m trying to open a Dispute for Suunto in France, I’m collecting evidences.
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@Lechamoix said in When will we get new firmware from Suunto?:
isazi it’s funny when you don’t pay for the watch
Stop trolling, you sad person!
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@isazi It’s funny that everything is positive when people get the product for free or give it away for testing. For suunto fans, the vertical is the watch of last hope, and I’m the first. Suunto doesn’t have the same power of action as Garmin or Coros, and I understand that. But do you find it normal to say that it’s a bug and that you have to wait for this fall’s maj? For me, no. I don’t want to polemicize, but this lacks impartiality on the part of many people.
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@zhang965 I’m not trolling him, it’s just a general comment.
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@Lechamoix it is funny how you have lots to say without knowing me
I pay for every watch I own, and have the absolute freedom to have fun with other users in this forum. I have no idea of Suunto timeline on releasing firmware or products, I just share what I can here so that friends on this forum are informed, and I heard there should be an update in 2023. I cannot tell you if it will be tomorrow, in a month, or the 31st of December, I just heard that something is coming in 2023. -
@Lechamoix said in When will we get new firmware from Suunto?:
isazi It’s funny that everything is positive when people get the product for free or give it away for testing. For suunto fans, the vertical is the watch of last hope, and I’m the first. Suunto doesn’t have the same power of action as Garmin or Coros, and I understand that. But do you find it normal to say that it’s a bug and that you have to wait for this fall’s maj? For me, no. I don’t want to polemicize, but this lacks impartiality on the part of many people.
We are living in the year of 2023, You should not assume the source of other’s watch, like you should not assume sex of someone else.
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I’m not replying a lot for weeks on the different threads (mostly because I don’t experiment anything else than joy/fun with my SV
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(I Paid my watch and have no relations of any kind with suunto)
I notice that :-
a few users continue to express their disappointment on this forum (10, 20, 30 users max ?). A very few have open as many threads as they could/should. There are bugs and issues, that’s a fact. But reading comments It could seems that lives depend on those “bugs” and that every SV produced and every user is “infected”.
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I’ve been using intensivly my SV since the day it was released. I use guides, maps, maps with guides, routes, routes during exercices. HR Wrist, different sports modes. intervals. Standard and custom sport modes. it represents more than 240 hours, 1650km and 51km D+ since may.
I didn’t experimented any crash. Perhaps I don’t use my SV properly so It can crash !
Autonomy is just huge, accuracy exceptionnal, maps are great…
The only bug I still have sometimes is the no map issue (3 or 4 times in 4 month). But I also noticed that It happen when I don’t let the map screen loading the maps (and try to zoom immediatly for instance).
So my point is : does that mean SV is perfect because mine works just awsomely well ?? Certainly not. Does erratic issues make it garbage…certainly not too.
I also have a few things I’d like to improve, but…come on, everybody stay cool and keep pushing on your activities !!
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Multiple alarms would be cool and if I may be so bold to add a second request it would be for a 3 second countdown alert between reps/intervals/etc
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@stromdiddily said in When will we get new firmware from Suunto?:
Multiple alarms would be cool and if I may be so bold to add a second request it would be for a 3 second countdown alert between reps/intervals/etc
Those multiple alarms are asked since the ambit times. If that happen it will be even a bigger victory than a lock button!
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Personally if I were Suunto I’d clean up some of these little things that people complain about like the step counter, alarms and multiple sensors, etc. All that said…
Its clear that there has been new investment in Suunto by Liesheng which was clearly lacking from the prior ownership. (Liesheng is the the maker Haylou smartwatch’s) This next update sounds interesting. So far we’ve heard of significant sleep improvements, replacement of Firstbeat which should help with resources and VO2 max issues, some map enhancements and what sounds like significant UI improvements along with likely the normal bug fixing.
I use Suunto because of the design and at its core its still a European company. If we all buy Garmin the only choices in the future will be Apple or Garmin. Yes, I’d like faster updates too but in reality they do steadily improve the watch’s in most case for years. For now I’d enjoy having a unique watch on your wrist that mostly does a very good job tracking exercise and training loads and displays it on an excellent mobile app.
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@Tieutieu I’d love to “push on” with activities with my Suunto 9, but I can’t…It keeps crashing. Lol I’m only able to push on with Garmin.
