Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?
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@altcmd Yeah, I’m finding it quite tiring now. He just needs to buy a Garmin and be done with it
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@Egika ok, thanks, very good to hear that suunto is working on updates related to ohr! Not sure if I should’ve known that. By ”accepting” I mean exactly these comments where people say that ohr is always wrong etc, a good example just here above
My reading of reviews by f.e. Dc rainmaker is that, in general, ohr matches very well on average with a chest trap. (One recent exception was his review of suunto vertical where it has similar problems that I experience on most zone 2 runs.) This has been my experience as well on other watches. I dont need ohr to be super accurate but just consistent. -
@Tieutieu I find it funny that we are not on official brand forum and still can not post links to upcoming new watch… rules are schizophrenic. But this is best we got, so we have to cope with it
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@Likarnik this is a forum hosted on the suunto.com domain and paid (as far as I know) by Suunto (not sure which department). So, it is an official Suunto forum, and to join you agree to Suunto’s terms and conditions and privacy policy.
What this forum is: a community forum by Suunto for Suunto users.
What this forum is not: (1) official helpdesk for Suunto, (2) the official way to get in touch with the company.Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
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isazi said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@Likarnik this is a forum hosted on the suunto.com domain and paid (as far as I know) by Suunto (not sure which department). So, it is an official Suunto forum, and to join you agree to Suunto’s terms and conditions and privacy policy.
What this forum is: a community forum by Suunto for Suunto users.
What this forum is not: (1) official helpdesk for Suunto, (2) the official way to get in touch with the company.And controlled by volunteers.
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@zhang965 no, it is controlled by Suunto’s community manager (Dimi) and other employees. The moderators are almost all volunteers, though.
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@isazi out of curiosity: is a volunteer one with similar privileges to a regular user with no privileged, proprietary information and free test products?
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Amazed how so quickly everyone went to the conclusion that the op was comparing to an OLED display when it was not mentioned. And as if Suunto didn’t had a past of dim and washed displays…
Never seen a vertical…it was said to have the best Suunto display…is it better than other mips? Don’t know…
Even if it wasn’t…it’s “ok”. It’s the best that the company could do at the time…but there could be always better displays… -
@altcmd what do you mean?
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@André-Faria I’m the one who brought up OLED in this thread. I think it was a reasonal assumption, considering the fact that Vertical’s marketing pics don’t boast with unrealistic colors. I think the images of Vertical (most colorful of them showing maps and sun&moon widget) were truthful and I think I received exactly what was advertised.
You’re right, no-one knows if he was raving about Vertical having especially bad MIP.
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@6294946
OHR - the reality as virtually all well known reviewers now point out is that your body comp, your skin tone, the amount of hair you have, any tats you have on your wrists, the fit and weight of the watch - this all goes towards how well any given OHR will read and provide accurate HR. So a device that works great for 98% of people will still have 2% where it doesn’t. Just go onto apple forums where apple OHR is generally rated as the best and you will find people complaining about it. Same with Garmin’s latest elevate 5 sensor which for most reviewers seems to do an excellent job.If a sensor isn’t working for you in most situations - your best option is probably to try another watch if you don’t want to go chest strap or OHR bicep route. Its entirely possible that it may work for you - take 5k runner - that guy is notoriously bad when it comes to OHR - even had issues with apple OHR - but found the Epix one generally worked for him OK - but that OHR is a variety of other watches where he just didn’t get the same level of detail… You just can never tell.
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My Thoughts/vision about OHR and performances :
Many user of “smartwatches” are not athletes. As long as they see that OHRs give values, they probably are satisfied. So am I for daily and night HR tracking. I’m just interested into tendency.
When precise mesures are needed, as it has been said before, no one can decently rely on OHR of any brand. HR straps still remain the best way to train precisely, for now.It will improve for sure (or another technology will replace OHR).
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@Tieutieu The improvments are already there considering how much more reliable it became over the last 20 years compared to the first forerunners that had it.
And “The quantified Scientist” on Youtube already tested multiple watches (Namely Huawei GT3 &4 and Apple watches) that operate near perfectly even on strength training.So, its just a matter of less than 5 years until other companies do it right IMO
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@zhang965 said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
You are not Suunto’s target audience, it’s all.
That’s exactly the point!
Suunto is trying to offer the same features as other brands, when it comes to health and recovery features, but that’s not one of their top priorities. Maybe this will change with giving up the old firstbeat algorithms in the near future.
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sorry - for some reason this was a delayed duplicate post - and as I can’t delete - have edited it out.
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@Jamie-BG I think this is just a bit too convenient to say that whoever is complaining is just one of the unlucky 2 percent. What we would want to know is whether that rate is actually higher than 2 percent for suunto vertical than for other watches in 2023. My subjective reading is that for suunto vertical that number might be higher but of course it is very hard to say without having some systematic data. Obviously those who complain are going to be more active on the internets, but it is very different for apple watch which has millions of users and thus 2 percent leads to a lot of complaints vs suunto vertical which has much less users but still a lot of people raising the issue on this forum.
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@6294946 I would say it is more complicated. I had lot of issues with my vertical when I bought it. I went directly to my training/holiday camp to mountains and was trying all features of the watch. Disaster, unusable,… Then I gave up on using suunto for biking and bought karoo bike computer. I still use basic features of the watch, using it on bike as backup recording device (imho very expensive backup), with navigation and maps just occasionally. no problem with watch lately. so as conclusion: more you use your watch, more problem you have.
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@dombo I use my Vertical every day for sport, with S+ apps, guides, maps, and so on. I have used it for around 195 hours and just shy of 1500 kilometers. Zero issues, just one single crash while commuting to work. So, there are people using their watch a lot and not having issues
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Same for me @isazi. At this point, nothing bad happened to my vertical.
I guess it is the case for most of the people.
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Not sure about display, I find it very readable. As far as MIP displays go I think its about as good as it gets.
Sleep tracking is useless, step tracking is useless, spo2 is useless and arguably ohr is aswell. Annoying but hey you dont buy a suunto for these (cue argument about why Suunto bothers)
Hardware wise I think the watch is great. GPS is the best ive seen (minus a few suspected software issues)
Barometer as far as I can tell so far is spot on, which is surprisingly difficult to find these days. Garmins is certainly subpar.Software is lackluster and quite disappointed with Suunto slow update rate. Widgets really could do with being sped up and the fatal bugs really do need addressing.
Theyve been releasing buggy watches since the first ambit so don’t excuse this with the “software takes time to test” nonsense.
