Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?
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@larrybbaker good to hear. I don’t really care about OHR as I prefer to wear the Verity Sense or H10. Workouts have been fine but the interval Guides is a mess to be honest. I guess it helps Suunto tick a box but I sincerely hope this is improved. Navigation on maps continue to be a mess if using turn-by-turn. Still no swim drills. Interface very laggy and rather restrictive in many sense. These individually are small but stacking them all up makes me sad, but then this has been Suunto’s story ever since the demise of Movescount. Good if they can improve things but history says otherwise.
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@altcmd What’s the issue with t2t nav and the maps?
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@stromdiddily said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@altcmd What’s the issue with t2t nav and the maps?
I guess I would add what is a mess about Interval Guides? Which 3rd party are you using?
The screen lag issue I don’t get, what is the lag problem? I push the button and the screen changes. Is it instantaneous? no, neither is a screen switch instantaneous on my Apple Watch Ultra or on the Garmin Epix2 I owned. I guess I cannot tell the difference between these. When I open an app on my iPhone it is not instantaneous either. So far this has not caused me any harm.
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@Brad_Olwin and @stromdiddily
Guides: perhaps a personal preference but the TP guide target numbers do not show a range but the average point. And if doing a HR interval that is a narrow cross between zones, it is sometimes hard to discern the range one wants to keep. Of course I can remember then but that defeats the purpose of a Suunto guide let alone the watch. Out of range beeps or vibration is also missing.TbT: discussed at length before so will no repeat again. Great if it works for you but I do not believe the navigation prompts Suunto gives is standard and as per what everyone else does on their watches.
Lags: my comparison is not to anyone but since you brought it up, I too have used a few Garmins in the last few years (7, 7S, 955) and the screen hiccups were not so noticeable as they are in Suunto. Again, I don’t care what others do here, but there is a noticeable lag on the vertical that was also the case on 9PP. Of course it does no ‘harm’ but just because Apple isn’t doing split second screen changes does not mean Suunto is in the clear. It’s a bit absurd if, not for the first time, some people have raised the issue and the response is a bit dismissive. Don’t worry, this isnt life threatening
Alarm, constant altimeter/compass calibrations, etc. but no point adding it on.
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@altcmd the screen lags are particularly annoying. For checking things like altimeter or barometer, Its shouldn’t be a 7 second task of choppy scrolling through widgets.
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@e6321 said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
For checking things like altimeter or barometer, Its shouldn’t be a 7 second task of choppy scrolling through widgets.
You will like the next update
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@isazi so then it must not be related to the firmware. and my (or our, who we are experiencing issues) watches are broken and should be replaced. or?
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@Egika
stop teasing, it is so frustrating
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@Mff73 december is coming
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@6294946 - My point was more around that even apple watch whose OHR is sort of considered a gold standard - even they have issues, and even their watch OHR doesn’t work for everyone. There isn’t one OHR sensor that works well for everyone - its just a fact of life.
Per your statement - you really can’t consider apple like to like with fitness watches as the base market and requirements are completely different.
Assume there are 2m apple watch users its very liikely that 95% of that 2m wouldn’t even know if there HR sensor is working correctly for them or not (and more importantly don’t really care - they just care about closing their rings - so no no real care about HR and or tracking accuracy; its really the say 5% (plucking it out the air but could be right based on the apple watch users I know) that would be interested in OHR accuracy due to health and sport tracking and thus are more likely to complain.
The difference is that 95%-99% of fitness watch users are interested in how good their OHR is (1% is guys like ex pebble users who use garmin to get as close to their pebble exeperience as the can and other weird people who buy fitness watches for notification and long battery life). My point is you can’t compare apple base with fitness watch base. So its very likely that with the fitness watches you would have a much higher percentage of complaints than comparing total apple watch base - the trick is trying to compare to the apple watch base that actually cares about OHR. -
@Mff73 yeah. Been hearing that for a while already.
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@Likarnik December 2024?
Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
Blog: isazi's home
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@Egika Any sense of when the next update will be dropped?
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@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@Brad_Olwin and @stromdiddily
Guides: perhaps a personal preference but the TP guide target numbers do not show a range but the average point. And if doing a HR interval that is a narrow cross between zones, it is sometimes hard to discern the range one wants to keep. Of course I can remember then but that defeats the purpose of a Suunto guide let alone the watch. Out of range beeps or vibration is also missing.If you set the TP guide as a range a range will show in the watch. I typically set mine for a zone and I get this. There is clearly a target range shown at the top of the screen and a target number shown below the screen., I clearly don’t understand your issue.
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@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
Alarm, constant altimeter/compass calibrations, etc. but no point adding it on.
What is the alarm issue? If you want additional alarms there are changes coming…
I never calibrate my altimeter and I travel, I do not have issues with it. Will it be off if I do not calibrate? Yes! but not by much and as soon as I do an exercise it is calibrated by fusedAlti. Weather, I.e. pressure changes will affect the altimeter and this happens in every watch. I don’t calibrate.
Compass calibration is needed if the watch encounters a strong magnetic field. That includes the charger, magnets that hold the pockets on my pack, strong magnets that may hold gloves or other items together. Why is this a problem, it is physics and not much to do about it. Since my SV is charged only once every 2-3 weeks that is about as often as I have to calibrate the compass. Other than magnetic interference I do not have to calibrate the compass. I use routes and often do route finding.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
Compass calibration is needed if the watch encounters a strong magnetic field. That includes the charger, magnets that hold the pockets on my pack, strong magnets that may hold gloves or other items together. Why is this a problem, it is physics and not much to do about it. Since my SV is charged only once every 2-3 weeks that is about as often as I have to calibrate the compass. Other than magnetic interference I do not have to calibrate the compass. I use routes and often do route finding.
true, but with SV, at least mine (but readind the forum, i am not alone), I have never been asked so often with any Suunto watch to calibrate this compass.
It is a strange calibration : so short “8” movements do the trick that we can ever doubt it is really doing a calibration. And so often prompted that it is strange that so many magnetic influences could be there.
It may again be something that just few of users encountered, and in this case, it is a bug that needs to be adressed, because it might reveals something more “hardware” than just “software”.
Question : is there any open investigation topic at Suunto for SV “compass calibration” ?
PS : while writting, i am entering map screen on my SV, just to see : and i am just prompted to calibrate. And i am just waking up.
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@Mff73 I used to have to calibrate my coros vertix 2 every time I used the compass. I just thought it was regular.
Past Suuntos: X-Lander/Observer/T6/X9/X10/X6HR/CORES/Ambits/Spartan/9P/9PP Ti/Vertical Ti
Current: Suunto Race Ti
Past other GPS watches: Polar Vantage V; Garmin 6X Pro Solar; Coros Vertix 2
Suunto App running on Google Pixel 8/Android 14
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@mikekoski490
maybe, maybe not, I personnaly really don’t know.
Understanding the theory of magnet influence, but also noticing that, with previous Suunto watches this calibration seemed to remain quite long, comes the legitim question : why not in SV ? -
@Mff73 Let’s hope it’s improved in the next update.
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@jedi2354 for sleep you’re probs better off with a Polar of some kind - they do sleep and recovery extremely well I’ve read and they look really nice. I find my Garmin 245 actually does the sleep times pretty well usually. too But despite having several Garmins and Suunto’s (I had a Coros but sold it, and an early Polar - loved it but it was outdated nowadays) I just prefer the build quality of my Suunto’s, and they get the job done in the end.
I do look at body battery/resources etc but usually I know how I feel and whether or not today will be a good day or a so-so one. I did find when I had Covid that my Garmin tracked it really well, being able to see my body’s stress and my subsequent dive in body battery. Tracked it really well from initial symptoms through to recovery.
So in the end it’s all swings and roundabouts as we say in Australia.
