Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?

Jeffrey Tillack

@jedi2354 for sleep you’re probs better off with a Polar of some kind - they do sleep and recovery extremely well I’ve read and they look really nice. I find my Garmin 245 actually does the sleep times pretty well usually. too But despite having several Garmins and Suunto’s (I had a Coros but sold it, and an early Polar - loved it but it was outdated nowadays) I just prefer the build quality of my Suunto’s, and they get the job done in the end.

I do look at body battery/resources etc but usually I know how I feel and whether or not today will be a good day or a so-so one. I did find when I had Covid that my Garmin tracked it really well, being able to see my body’s stress and my subsequent dive in body battery. Tracked it really well from initial symptoms through to recovery.

So in the end it’s all swings and roundabouts as we say in Australia.

Likarnik

@isazi noooooo

@Jeffrey-Tillack I can thank my S9P to get my covid pass in my country (you could either vaccinate or test positive in last 3months IIRC to even fuel a car). My resources were low, they did not get up during sleep because my avg HR was almost 15beats higher than normal. Got tested positive, after 4days my HR was back to normal and I was training again and free to fuel my car No watch - no covid

altcmd

@Brad_Olwin You probably don’t understand despite me trying a few times. If you have used a Garmin or Polar then you would. Have a look here on how Polar does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8qRInq_yL0 and I presume you already know Garmin since you have said it so many times that you used an Epix.

And if you read carefully the text I wrote, I talk about targets that are a cross between zones, which sometimes are in 80-20 sessions. It is damn difficult to know from just a pointer and if there is an average number like in your photo so 193, so that 193 could imply a range of 192-194 or even 170-216. Ofcourse one can remember them, but again, like I already said before, that defeats the purpose of a watch like Suunto.

TurnberryHai

@Jamie-BG You’re not plucking it out of the air, but rather out of your ass.

I like Suunto, but you can’t compare their OHR to Apple.

altcmd

@mikekoski490 interesting as for the 6-8 months I flirted with Garmins, I did not really have to recalibrate the compass / altimeter as many times I have to do on the SV. I would not touch a Garmin these days but just a counter-point.

isazi

@altcmd as far as I know, next firmware should fix this. Calibration will still be required if installing a new firmware or getting in contact with a magnet, but it will not ask you to calibrate the compass during every activity.

Mff73

@isazi
Alléluia

altcmd

@isazi appreciate it! As a feedback and similar to what @mikekoski490 has voiced as well, it would be great from an engagement and trust point of view if Suunto were a bit more open about upcoming SW releases and cycles.

taziden

@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:

@isazi appreciate it! As a feedback and similar to what @mikekoski490 has voiced as well, it would be great from an engagement and trust point of view if Suunto were a bit more open about upcoming SW releases and cycles.

I’m sure Coros, Polar and Garmin would love that also

Egika

@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:

@isazi appreciate it! As a feedback and similar to what @mikekoski490 has voiced as well, it would be great from an engagement and trust point of view if Suunto were a bit more open about upcoming SW releases and cycles.

has been discussed and explained before.
The development process of HW and SW holds many uncertainties. Suunto had communicated planned SW releases in the beginning with the Spartan. They found they loose more trust and engagement if they cannot fulfil all communicated changes within the planned timeframe.

So we have those update cycles with the alternating feature and bugfixing releases.
The next one will be a big one addressing both

isazi

@altcmd I would also like open communication, not to announce new features in advance but to have a dialogue with the company. Anyway, I have no say in this, I just try to keep the relationship between Suunto and the forum going

stromdiddily

@Brad_Olwin I have the same complaint regarding targets for the work portions. HumanGo will often program a target zone that is a combination of zone 1 and zone 2 for my long runs making the zone blocks (for lack of a better word) not really worth much when following the guide.

Also another +1 for out of prescribed zone alerts/vibrations for guides

Brad_Olwin

@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:

@Brad_Olwin You probably don’t understand despite me trying a few times. If you have used a Garmin or Polar then you would. Have a look here on how Polar does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8qRInq_yL0 and I presume you already know Garmin since you have said it so many times that you used an Epix.

And if you read carefully the text I wrote, I talk about targets that are a cross between zones, which sometimes are in 80-20 sessions. It is damn difficult to know from just a pointer and if there is an average number like in your photo so 193, so that 193 could imply a range of 192-194 or even 170-216. Ofcourse one can remember them, but again, like I already said before, that defeats the purpose of a watch like Suunto.

Simply set up a target on TrainingPeaks, the limits of the target will be shown above in the indicator, aim for the middle of the indicator as your target, the middle of my target is 193. Frankly, for your fitness trying to target 192-194 for either HR or Power is impossible. I do not see the issue here, try to keep the pointer in the middle, it is not hard to do and a lot easier than reading numbers . Hopefully I am clear this time.

Brad_Olwin

@stromdiddily said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:

@Brad_Olwin I have the same complaint regarding targets for the work portions. HumanGo will often program a target zone that is a combination of zone 1 and zone 2 for my long runs making the zone blocks (for lack of a better word) not really worth much when following the guide.

Also another +1 for out of prescribed zone alerts/vibrations for guides

That is a different issue!!! I would like to have alerts as well and I think this might be on the 3rd party side as some provide alerts and some do not. I have not used them but I believe Intervals.icu has alerts, correct me if I am wrong.

altcmd

@Brad_Olwin my 192-194 reference was just to point out the law of averages as per Suunto’s logic. Glad to hear you taking it seriously

altcmd

@Brad_Olwin intervals does not either. Again, Suunto is alone here as Garmin, Polar, Coros, and even Wahoo do it.

I know I’m late to the party, but I have a few comments related to OHR and why I would never train without a chest strap.

Recently I did a workout with a HR chest strap:

Then I did the same workout an another day, but forgot the HR chest strap at home. Same workout, same conditions:

And this is a reoccurring pattern.

So I’m honestly wondering how the HRV measurement will work, if the OHR is unreliable…

altcmd

@tomasbartko depends on the kind of workout and many other variables that are often discussed but is absent in your generalisation.

@altcmd this example is strength training and I know that most of the watches struggle with strength training (Apple watches are pretty good though). But my point was that the OHR is inaccurate and I am wondering how accurate are then other metrics dependent on HR when measured from wrist. Just thinking out loud.

altcmd

@tomasbartko that’s a bit of a stretch to say it is inaccurate rather than the reality being the OHRs struggle on these workouts. By your definition Garmins and Polars also struggle so is their HRV wrong too? The logic does not add up.