What do you expect from the next update?

maszop

@Brad_Olwin I get the impression that for you Suunto watches are perfect and nothing is a problem, even bugs. This is a very bad approach especially for someone who seems to be involved in testing.

DrSilverthorn

I am quite happy with the latest update. Progress has been made with the OHR measurement for me. Before it was pretty useless most of the time. Now it is working for running at least 90% of the time. I saw cadence lock one time on my run this AM, but the previous run it was flawless. I’d pretty much given up hope on OHR for the Vertical. Given this was a major concern for me in the past, I am really happy something was done.

I also appreciate the ability to customize complications on the watchfaces, and to have some more to choose from. I am good with the implementation now.

So overall, I like this update - the software team should be happy with this one.I haven’t tried any of the structured training stuff to see if it’s been improved, but fingers are crossed that this is in the works for a future update if it hasn’t been worked.

Also, I filled out a survey some time ago about what features and issues were important to me. I have the feeling that someone at Suunto actually looked at my survey and took it seriously. This left me with a good feeling.

isazi

@DrSilverthorn there are people whose job is to design surveys and read them and see what the majority of users want

Sergei Ladeishchikov

@isazi Where do these surveys usually take place?

isazi

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov sometimes you’ll see them pop-up in the app

Sergei Ladeishchikov

@isazi I have never had any news or notifications in the beta iOS app for over a year (I’ve been using iOS for so long). Before this, there were no notifications on Android either.

e6321

Can we please have the option to turn off notifications beeps separately from all beeps?

isazi

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov what language do you use for the app?

Sergei Ladeishchikov

@isazi English

isazi

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov then I don’t know, I get them sometimes

Sergei Ladeishchikov

@isazi what about the news?

isazi

@Sergei-Ladeishchikov I also get those

Sergei Ladeishchikov

@isazi then what is my reason?) it doesn’t interfere with life, it’s just interesting and, perhaps, I can miss something interesting, for example, polls)

GiPFELKiND

@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Brad_Olwin I get the impression that for you Suunto watches are perfect and nothing is a problem, even bugs. This is a very bad approach especially for someone who seems to be involved in testing.

Good point!!! You’re right man 🥳 when you read about some bugs with the new Software… Cannot believe this. Specially that a tester says its no Problem! Missing contour lines are definitely a Problem. They are missing since Oktober last year 🥴

isazi

@GiPFELKiND let’s explain this another time, there is no bug on contour lines, there was a choice to be made: keep the maps at 1km or increase the scale to 5, 10, 20 kilometers. The only way to do that fast enough to be usable was to reduce details, and for the vast majority of users roads and trails are more used than contour lines, so the drop of contour lines when zooming out. This is still being worked out, and more details will be in the maps if and when the technical issues are fixed. No one wants a map full of details that is unreadable and unusable.

Brad_Olwin

@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Brad_Olwin I get the impression that for you Suunto watches are perfect and nothing is a problem, even bugs. This is a very bad approach especially for someone who seems to be involved in testing.

No, not true but I am a scientist and your statements are factually inaccurate. There are contour lines. And I ask again, you say maps work poorly. Specifically what works poorly?
I do not see a major issue with contour lines where they are now. Yes that is part opinion but I did not say what I personally wanted. Nor do you know what I request as a tester.

Brad_Olwin

@GiPFELKiND said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@maszop said in What do you expect from the next update?:

@Brad_Olwin I get the impression that for you Suunto watches are perfect and nothing is a problem, even bugs. This is a very bad approach especially for someone who seems to be involved in testing.

Good point!!! You’re right man 🥳 when you read about some bugs with the new Software… Cannot believe this. Specially that a tester says it’s no Problem! Missing contour lines are definitely a Problem. They are missing since Oktober last year 🥴

Specifically this tester says that he does not think the lack of contour lines at specific zoom levels is a serious problem. The maps are not missing contour lines, simply contour lines are not present at all zoom levels. As I told @maszop neither of you are precise with your statements. The fact is that contour lines are not missing they are present at higher zoom levels. That is a fact. I do not see this as a serious issue (my opinion). I did not state whether or not I would like them when zoomed out so please try not to assume what I am thinking.

maszop

I just don’t understand how you can write such nonsense over and over again.
What roads, what details? I’m talking about mountains in which the only details visible on the map are contour lines. Contour lines are not needed when viewing a small or very big areas, and mainly when viewing a area of 200, 500m, 1 and 2km.
Outdoor watch testers should know such things, if not, maybe they should do something else?
A 200m view is unfortunately often useless in the mountains. I most often use 500m and 1km (with the older maps) — then I can see the shape of the slope, cliffs etc.

Besides, the developer when announced it on social media canals, wrote that it was only temporary and would be FIXED soon, and you are writing such bullshit here now.

Iggge

@maszop I hear you. The maps need more details, and contour lines should be visible in 500m mode.

Stefan Kersting

@isazi @GiPFELKiND one of the first things when studying geography or cartography is how to make usable maps. A usable and user friendly map is a map that is readable. Critical for a readable map is the amount of information you are putting in a map. Honestly, the amount of information you can put in a map with a diameter of 49 mm is limited. So what is the value of putting contour lines in a map of 49 mm when zooming out to a scale of 5, 10 or 20 km?
Try this, browse norgeskart.no and zoom in to the area Bodø/Lofoten. There you can see how tight the countour lines are and in regions like this I think its really challenging to visualize countourlines on a watch.
The Vertical with the map function is a great piece of gear and when hiking it is very useful to plan the route and follow the track on the watch. And it is really fun, I like it very much! But it is the amateur way. When on a hike and several days in the mountains you have to use a old school map for navigation and that is really fun too because you “read” the map and “read” the landscape/topography. You can plan such a hike with SA, no problem. But in the field I choose to take with me a map. And the vertical is a great piece of support for navigating and tracking.
In my opinion the map works pretty well without contour lines at small scales.