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New owner of Suunto Race - first feelings

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    ChrisA Platinum Member @Dušan Ković
    last edited by ChrisA 11 Aug 2023, 13:35 8 Nov 2023, 13:35

    @Dušan-Ković Is this a one time thing or are you getting much too high readings all the time?

    If it’s once, that’s something I got and get from any device I used and I won’t assume any sleep stage algorithm on any device for scientifically correct.
    If sleep start and end times and the average awake time seems correct on a weekly basis I am happy and for me the Race does this. As a whole I find a sportswatch most value in long term evaluation and readings of the data they give the user.

    But of course if your awake times are consequently too high, it will mess up the proposals you’ll get from the ‘coach’. Perhaps adjusting the watch’s resting HR setting by a beat or two may help. I had this happen on any (!) Garmin I ever had, since they changed the algorithm a few years back, seeing me awake for 2-4 hours every night, messing up the whole training readiness etc. stuff.

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      wmichi @ChrisA
      last edited by wmichi 11 Aug 2023, 13:47 8 Nov 2023, 13:46

      @ChrisA Your experience with Garmin is what I have with the Race currently. I wonder if it has something to do with my 4 year old kid, sleeping nearly every night in our bed. Last night he didn’t, and I slept much better. Sleep tracking was spot on for this night (as far as I can tell).

      Maybe with the kid in bed my light sleep is even lighter and the algorithm is somehow too “sensitive” and misinterprets light sleep as awake in this case? Just speculating.

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        renton82 Platinum Member @wmichi
        last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 14:40

        I have noticed a kind of screen flicker in activity page (just before press start), when the screen become more dimmed. Did you notice this kind of behaviour?

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          Dušan Ković @ChrisA
          last edited by Dušan Ković 11 Aug 2023, 15:12 8 Nov 2023, 15:08

          @ChrisA It happens since I got the race, last 4 nights. Yesterday, I’ve put 10bpm more on resting HR than measured (45bpm Monday morning). Problem is there is too much guess work, we are hunting random value that influences multiple things in the app. I can put it to 60bpm, but this doesn’t make any sense. I just checked my sleeping HR, I never vent over 46-47 during the sleep. Only one time I went to the toilet it got to the 70bpm.

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          I think entire “guessing the correct number” workflow needs to change. Maybe the algorithm is too sensitive? Or it doesn’t read the collected data the right way. As you can see in the screenshot HR was stable most of the night, except one awake section.

          I would just like to have at least some proper data… I’m trying to satisfy my internal data nerd.

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            Egika Platinum Member @Dušan Ković
            last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 15:19

            @Dušan-Ković agree 100%!!

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              Egika Platinum Member @renton82
              last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 15:20

              @renton82 said in New owner of Suunto Race - first feelings:

              I have noticed a kind of screen flicker in activity page (just before press start), when the screen become more dimmed. Did you notice this kind of behaviour?

              Yes, at certain dimming stages the my screen also seems to flicker. I have only noticed this in one of the AOD watch faces though…

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                ChrisA Platinum Member @wmichi
                last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 15:22

                @wmichi perhaps it’s the kid moving in your bed, which makes you (without noticing) move too and disturb the Suunto’s algorithm? I know that kids toss and turn around while sleeping more than adults

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                  renton82 Platinum Member @Egika
                  last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 15:47

                  @Egika “Good” to know…

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                    vlado
                    last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 01:02

                    I cant seem to find vo2max value displayed in the watch or the app. Where should that be?

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                      Tieutieu Platinum Member @vlado
                      last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 05:37

                      @vlado if you have not walked or run a few times, it’s not displayed yet (needs to calibrate). The watch tells you when it’s calibrated. Then you have a health level in the watch and the training section in Suunto App where you will see it too.

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                        wmichi @Tieutieu
                        last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 07:04

                        @Tieutieu For me the VO2max value keeps disappearing every day. I go running, VO2max is displayed. The following day it’s no longer displayed. Then I go running and it’s displayed again.

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                          Tieutieu Platinum Member @wmichi
                          last edited by Tieutieu 11 Sept 2023, 07:27 9 Nov 2023, 07:16

                          @wmichi strange so…you should have things like this in the app

                          In sv I have this but with race I think it’s different

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                            wmichi @Tieutieu
                            last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 07:41

                            @Tieutieu Yes I have. Lot’s of running activities (running, trail running), 6 of them made with the Race, all longer than 1 hour. For all of them I got a VO2max value in the activity details. And the value was displayed in the progress widget on the watch on that day. And it always disappears the following day.

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                              David l @wmichi
                              last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 08:06

                              @wmichi on the progress widget, scroll up (or is it down?) . The second screen is the VO2 max

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                                wmichi @David l
                                last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 08:18

                                @David-l I know where it can be found, it’s not there. Yesterday it was there. Am I the only one with a constantly disappearing VO2max info on the watch? 🙂

                                Maybe it happens because I am not only running but also doing other sports, often times on the same day (for example running in the morning, rollerskiing late afternoon). I don’t know, I am not doing anything special with the watch, never saw this behaviour on other Suunto watches.

                                And shouldn’t there also be threshold values displayed and some infos about 5k, 10k, 20k, 42k distances? To be honest, I don’t know what has to be done, that these infos are displayed (I guess a threshold test or a similar workout). So far I haven’t done something like that with the Race.

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                                  ChrisA Platinum Member @wmichi
                                  last edited by ChrisA 11 Sept 2023, 12:54 9 Nov 2023, 12:54

                                  @wmichi Same here, race prediction and Lactate threshold disappeared… But did not run for some days, since having a cold 🥶, vo2 max is there all the time though

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                                    wmichi @ChrisA
                                    last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 13:02

                                    @ChrisA I did a run this morning and VO2max appeared again on the watch. Let’s see if it’s still there after my afternoon rollerski session 🙂 I have never seen threshold/race prediction on the watch. Reason might be that I haven’t done any running intervals yet (HR maybe generally too low during my running workouts to calculate threshold values).

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                                      ChrisA Platinum Member @wmichi
                                      last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 13:39

                                      @wmichi that’s a possibility. I would love to see Suunto releasing more information on how this works, it seems to be an automatic process, but for me it’s not clear, how it works, e.g. like you say, does it need a certain HR percentage or a certain duration during a workout? Maybee Suunto is putting more information in the manual someday.

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                                        Egika Platinum Member @ChrisA
                                        last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 13:49

                                        @ChrisA usually Suunto is putting this kind of information in their blog articles:
                                        https://www.suunto.com/de-de/sports/

                                        Some good read in there

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                                          ChrisA Platinum Member @Egika
                                          last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 14:09

                                          @Egika thanks, but can you find information on how the lactate threshold calculation is done on the race (I.e. does one have to ran a certain mileage a week, or duration or do you need to reach a certain HR level… ). I have read a lot of it and it’s really great information, but there seems no information on this yet.

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