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    • babychaiB Offline
      babychai Silver Members @Todd Danielczyk
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      @Todd-Danielczyk Indeed nice to see this HRV trend to monitor our health and stressful life šŸ¤—

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        @babychai And beers šŸ™„
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          babychai Silver Members @inkognito
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          @inkognito Wow, you should drink lesser then 🤣

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            Todd Danielczyk Gold Members @inkognito
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            @inkognito Ah yes! It is well documented how HRV is affected with alcohol consumption.

            In a way I’m glad I didn’t track my HRV in my youth with all the trade shows I went to šŸ˜‰šŸ‘

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              Likarnik Bronze Member @inkognito
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              @inkognito I found that beers before bed affect my sleep HR and HRV much more than hard training or getting sick

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                A Former User @Mff73
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                @Mff73 sickness, stress, poor sleep and recovery result in low HRV. Good sleep and recovery, low stress, good fitness result in high HRV. Plus it’s also a bit genetics.

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                  @Mff73 said in HRV on Vertical:

                  @babychai said in HRV on Vertical:

                  @Mff73 i feel the same too. my fever also got make HRV drop

                  question to experts : shouldn’t it be the opposite ? higher HRV in case of illness ? šŸ¤”

                  thanks to all to correct me šŸ™‚

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                    Tieutieu Platinum Member
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                    HRV indeed is an indicator of illness, ā€œdrunknessā€ also, tired periods…
                    It’s directly linked to HR : the higher is the HR, the lowest the HRV should be. But low HR doesn’t mean hight HRV.

                    But before HRV was introduced, HR at night itselft was already a very good indicator : I can easily find every night I have been partying or drinkink too much, or been hill => my HR at night directly jumps from 40/45 bpm to 60/65.

                    So HRV is certainly an interesting indicator, but at my athletic level, I still don’t know excatly how I will be able to use it. For now I imagine to combine it with CTL/TSS tracking to sometime decide not to go training even if I want to. Somehow helping me ā€œtrain better, don’t train moreā€.

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                      kamarasm Bronze Member @Tieutieu
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                      @Tieutieu yes, I think so, trends are important.
                      However I checked HRV during illness. šŸ˜‰ It was 9 šŸ˜„

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                        Mouse Cruiser Bronze Member @Tieutieu
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                        @Tieutieu Perhaps more than an aid in training, HRV is important as a warning against a heart attack condition or problems with heart function, because according to my friend, when the heart beats to the rhythm of the metronome (HRV goes towards 0), we are about to have a heart attack.
                        Of course, this is not a scientific explanation, but it seems logical and reasonable to me

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                          Tieutieu Platinum Member @Mouse Cruiser
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                          @MiÅ”-Kan thanks, didn’t knew that !

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                            Swaddy61 Silver Members @Tieutieu
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                            I have only had my SV about 10 days, so not enough to get the full 14 day average. On top of that I have had a really bad cold over the last week, so maybe my current HRV is a bit low because of that - currently averaging 21 ms (Resting HR is 55, and I am 62), with last night only 19ms ā€˜apparently’, although I feel I am through the worst of the cold. I am ā€˜reasonably’ fit (for my age?), but it still seems rather low.
                            I’ll keep watching over the coming weeks…

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                              Egika Platinum Member @Mouse Cruiser
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                              @MiÅ”-Kan said in HRV on Vertical:

                              @Tieutieu Perhaps more than an aid in training, HRV is important as a warning against a heart attack condition or problems with heart function, because according to my friend, when the heart beats to the rhythm of the metronome (HRV goes towards 0), we are about to have a heart attack.
                              Of course, this is not a scientific explanation, but it seems logical and reasonable to me

                              Do you have any scientific proof of this apart from ā€œfriendā€ and ā€œseems logicalā€?

                              To me it sounds a lot like an urban legend…

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                                @Egika. While trying to get some informations, I found that (french partially english). But there must be more litterature about it.

                                ā€œCoronary heart diseases : Several studies indicate that a drop in HRV is associated with the risk of cardiovascular and coronary pathologies, hypertension and insufficiency cardiac [10].ā€

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                                  Mouse Cruiser Bronze Member @Egika
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                                  @Egika First of all, I should say that I am a technician and not a doctor, so I interpret some explanations in my own way. Since you want a more in-depth medical read, I suggest starting with one of the articles that summarizes the following:
                                  Low heart rate variability (HRV), a marker of cardiac autonomic dysfunction, has been associated with increased all-cause and cardiovascular mortality. We examined the association between reduced HRV and incident stroke in a community-based cohort.
                                  Source: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/STROKEAHA.116.012662

                                  Urban legend or scientific fact? Judge for yourself.
                                  As I said, I simplified and it seems logical and reasonable for me.

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                                    Egika Platinum Member @Mouse Cruiser
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                                    @MiÅ”-Kan right. Heart stress and low HRV values go along with each other.
                                    Before I understood ā€œonce HRV reaches 0, you get a strokeā€. And while the first correlation makes sense, the latter would be wrong simplification.

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                                      Swaddy61 Silver Members @Egika
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                                      @Egika Crikey… Should I be worried (19ms)? Or get it professionally measured?

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                                        @Swaddy61 A single value means absolutely nothing (what’s your range?), and comparing people’s HRV values is totally meaningless.

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                                          mikekoski490 Bronze Member @Swaddy61
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                                          @Swaddy61 Hi. I’ve brought this same topic up in the Suunto Race forum, as my HRV is totally not correct in Suunto Race.

                                          Since I’ve owned it, my nightly HRV score is around 15, which I was about to go to my doctor to discuss as it’s dangerously low.

                                          Background: I’m 55, ex elite athlete in rowing and cycling, still compete in trail running, overnight resting HR is 48, and Suunto App is currently saying ready for training etc. BP is typically 120/80.

                                          As I have a Polar H10 strap, before going to the doctor, I decided to cross reference a few HRV apps - Elite HRV and HRV4training.

                                          BOTH apps, when paired with my Polar band, gave consistent readings over 2 days between 50 and 60 HRV score.

                                          So, if your Vertical is giving you scary HRV scores, try a Bluetooth heart rate belt and an HRV app.

                                          Personally I think this is a Suunto watch and Suunto app error when the app says my HRV score, at 14 this morning, is ā€˜normal’,when most online info says that score would mean I’m at risk for catastrophic illness or even death.

                                          My HRV score this morning with Elite HRV was 52.

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                                            @MiÅ”-Kan I think people with very low HRV have usually a ā€œworseā€ lifestyle, don’t do much sports, so there’s a higher risk of any health issues in general. That’s logical. But the conclusion of this study was:

                                            Lower HRV was associated with higher risk of incident stroke among middle-aged adults with prevalent diabetes mellitus but not among people without diabetes mellitus.

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