S9 is the top model

A Former User · 1 Aug 2018, 11:30

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos of course there will be opinions for and against bell and whistles.
The real million dollar question is whether the general target group cares for these features strongly enough to influence their buying decision.
I would guess that suunto thinks otherwise.
I personally feel feature anxiety from all the metrics in a garmin watch. But maybe the general population thinks otherwise.

In any case, we cannot influence suunto,s decision directly. We vote with our wallets

Brad_Olwin · 8 Jan 2018, 15:26

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I agree with what folks are saying here. For those that do long days hiking or running S9 is “the” watch. I did a 100km race in Colorado this weekend and saw 3 S9 watches besides mine. In the Endurance crowd everyone is talking about the S9 and many Garmin users say they are seriously considering switching. The fenix 5x+ will not last the 35h stated, that requires severely limiting sensors and readout. Most of my friends with the 5x get about 15h, the 5x+ will likely have a modest increase in battery life but not 32h. DCRainmaker made a big point about this in his review.

Suunto has an excellent fitness watch and now the premier Endurance watch. They really only need 1 more in the middle and Suunto could simply focus on being the best with those 3.

Accompanying that, Suunto needs to have the best mobile and web platforms for the watches! Garmin Connect IMHO is horrible but the mobile app is pretty good. The progress on moving to SportsTracker needs to be significantly sped up and AmerSports should provide the resources necessary to get this done. First get all of the Spartan hardware on the new platform and ALL features enabled. Then if necessary worry about past models.
Suunto does not need to have the analysis available in Movescount, they could partner with TrainingPeaks and allow/promote export to other analysis sites as well. This would save development costs. For example, I would rather plan my workouts in TrainingPeaks and transfer to the watch or Suunto app. However, the mobile app should be the best out there, permitting route addition, syncing and watch customization completely offline, with synchronization once a connection is available. The app is well on its way but moving too slowly.

Just my thoughts on this.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 1 Aug 2018, 15:29

@Brad_Olwin I agree with you and also with what people say here.

Regarding the Web-Apps etc its quite crucial to hit this. I think thats why we are here.

SlaSh · 1 Aug 2018, 18:02

@Brad_Olwin I disagree that suunto is having the best fitness watch, how fitness watch can be introduced without history of the fitness, like weight, hr and etc… It is half baked watch and long way till the best

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 1 Aug 2018, 18:12

@SlaSh you need history for what exactly?

Eg to know the weight 2 years ago?

Or the hr 2 years ago?

Its a fair point you have there. But just trying to put it in action. Because I thought fitness is around the current state. Or a question , such as how fit are you… I mean its how fit are you now no?

I agree with you @SlaSh , it might not be the best fitness watch due to history.

SlaSh · 8 Jan 2018, 18:28

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos yes weight history for last year if possible and please include 24/7/365 hr, thanks fitness is all about to get in shape or stay in shape. You elite runners never understand So for example I track my HR for visceral reasons, especially resting HR

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 1 Aug 2018, 18:43

@SlaSh clear!/

Brad_Olwin · 8 Feb 2018, 00:04

@SlaSh said in S9 is the top model:

@Brad_Olwin I disagree that suunto is having the best fitness watch, how fitness watch can be introduced without history of the fitness, like weight, hr and etc… It is half baked watch and long way till the best

Ahh, I did not say best for a reason, you understood me as I said excellent, clearly not best…I agree with your points! For those that start a fitness routine they often want to lose weight or improve on a measure. For example VO2 max. For this people want history and I think history is a good thing. Needs to happen. The adaptive training is s feature that makes the watch excellent among others.
I did say premiere Endurance for the S9 and would stand by that meaning the best.

Armin S. · 8 Feb 2018, 08:38

@Brad_Olwin said in S9 is the top model:

@SlaSh said in S9 is the top model:
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For those that start a fitness routine they often want to lose weight or improve on a measure. For example VO2 max. For this people want history and I think history is a good thing. Needs to happen. The adaptive training is s feature that makes the watch excellent among others.
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Yes! I think, for the S3F as a fitness watch, history of weight is a must. For the S9 for power athletes certainly not necessarily.

Luís Pinto · 8 Feb 2018, 09:42

@Armin-S In disagreement. Even chinese watches have that. Most of brands have it. For Suunto integrate V02max in Spartan and S9 series is not need to buy algorithm from Firstbeat like they did for S3F. Is a known formula, simple as:

VO2max=15*(HRmax/HRrest)

If they don’t want to put this, no problem. Give us apps builder and we make a .json app for watch.

Luís Pinto · 28 Aug 2018, 09:51

New software for Suunto 9 today, v 2.1.64

A Former User · 28 Aug 2018, 10:45

any news on the changelog?
Someone posted new firmware for S3f.
So is it a bugfix release?

omunoz · 28 Aug 2018, 11:58

Hi,

Copy from Facebook “(Español) SUUNTO talks: Run4IQcommunity”

Update Suunto 9 2.1.64
ONLY FOR THE FIRST 5000 USERS.
The rest (if all goes well) would have its update in the coming days.
Main changes:
-Update GPS chip, it improves the distance and the track.
-Update of the FC sensor, the measurements have improved appreciably walking, especially when we stopped and we went ahead and the pulsations increased exorbitantly, now this is corrected and they are really good.

renton82 · 28 Aug 2018, 12:26

Just test it and zombie notification is still here

Armin S. · 28 Aug 2018, 14:18

@Yannis-Belouris From Suuntos webpage:
“SUUNTO 9 SOFTWARE UPDATE 2.1.64
We continue to build on the robust Suunto 9 solution as this release brings GPS and Wrist heart rate performance improvements.”

Ze Stuart · 28 Aug 2018, 14:48

Thanks @omunoz !

What’s the ‘FC’ sensor? I think that means accelerometer…

I miss the days of the Ambit firmware updates when they wrote a detailed text file of what they’d changed on my hardware. Quite rude, to my mind, to come into my house, change something, tell me they’ve changed something, and not tell me what…

sartoric · 28 Aug 2018, 14:56

@Ze-Stuart said in S9 is the top model:

What’s the ‘FC’ sensor? I think that means accelerometer…

I guess it’s the (O)HR sensor, in spanish

Ze Stuart · 28 Aug 2018, 14:57

@sartoric thanks, I was thrown by ‘walking’. Now I think of it as OHR, that’s a bug I saw when using it recently, where I had a ~200bpm HR while jogging gently. Well that’s lovely if that’s been fixed.

SlaSh · 28 Aug 2018, 17:36

@Ze-Stuart test jogging then confirm it is fixed

Ze Stuart · 28 Aug 2018, 18:02

Just for you, @SlaSh, I will forgo my chest strap when I jog to the pool and back this evening. But not in the pool. I’d feel naked without it.